History’s lesson for the dinar

I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.

While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.

But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?

Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)

The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.

History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.

600 Responses to History’s lesson for the dinar

  1. JC 17th December 2010 at 09:43 #

    Stew,
    This so called "LOP" of yours has been debunked more times than I care to comment. The removal of the zeros, is NOTHING more than the CBI and the central bank of the US, the Federal Reserve removing the 1,000 and larger notes from circulation and destroying them upon return to Iraq. You really need to stop spreading the lies. Everyone needs to do their own research, and when this all comes to fruition, we'll be celebrating, and the rate will be MUCH higher than .03-.05.

  2. Marketralley 19th December 2010 at 15:05 #

    I found this site while searching for information for Iqd. I have been invested in the New Iraqi Dinar since 2004. I reinvested in 2009 for additional money that I came accross.

    There is a person on here that sounds like american contractor. This is a person who some feel works for the cbi. Trying to keep the average investor out of this investment.

    I will say that this person typing on here is in fact wrong about most things that he stated. Someone actually proved you wrong, and just like the contractor guy, you did not acknowledge the fact that you were wrong. typical, very typical.

    I have a question for you. If you are no longer invested, why do you read site like these? I am not invested in the V Dong, and so I do not view V DOng forum's or site's.

    One of three things are happening here. 1) you are invested and do not want other people to make money. 2) you are the anti-pumper, on the cbi's payrole. 3) you have no money to invest and you are trying to keep other from investing since you cannot.

    Either way, I wish I could get back the few minutes I wasted ready some of you comments and the time it took to write this.

    About the investment. I personally feel that I am going to make great profit from this. I read the facts, some biased, some just fact and then decided to re-invest. I offer to anybody that has questions, email me. Just add @yahoo.com to my user name, that is my email address. I will try to answer any questions you have. If I cannot answer it I will foward you to a person/persons that can.

    Thank you.....Marketralley

  3. Stew 20th December 2010 at 12:26 #

    So... who's excited about the new Iraqi 100,000 dinar bills?

  4. James 20th December 2010 at 13:57 #

    OK Stew what are you talking about now ?????

    Also after you answer this I can tell you how they can RV at 0.85 to at lease the current Euro without doing a lop as you stated

  5. Stew 20th December 2010 at 14:05 #

    An Advisor to the Central Bank of Iraq has stated they will issue new 100,000 dinar notes. People are still using the US $100 bills and they want to stop that, and since the lop is waitng for Parliment to approve, they will issue the 100,000 in the meantime.

    Tell me what you got James... and plaase don't post that thing where a dinar dealer pretends to interview an economist and makes a fool of himself.

  6. James 20th December 2010 at 14:15 #

    I didnt see anything about them saying 100,000 and no post from any dinar forum

    This is me talking OK

    Now we know they have 27 trillion dinars right now you have a few of these the USA has a few of these and many other countries now Iraq doesnt hold all these 27 trillion I would say maybe in the area of 4 to 5 trillion thats not so far fetched to do a RV at a buck

    Now what will happen to the dinars outside of Iraq ? Easy then will be turned in to the Feds and other countries do there thing our country will then use this credit to buy future oil and so on We our GOV will remove these for Iraq

    Also keep in mind that Iraq only has to back there money 15% which means they could even go higher now or in the future

  7. Stew 20th December 2010 at 14:38 #

    James… the whole world combined right now only has about 5 Trillion dollars worth of currency in circulation. So for Iraq to RV even 5 trillion dinar to $1 would be extraordinarily far fetched.
    So according to you… Iraq has allowed countries all over the world to amass large sums of dinar for .00085 per dinar. They are then going to RV to $1 per dinar, and the countries will pick up the tab for that RV, and then Iraq will except that dinar for payment on oil? That means Iraq has already pre-sold all of their oil for less than one tenth of a penny on the dollar.
    Not sure where you get the 15% backing info from. I suspect you have heard this from the so-called gurus, and it is a total fabrication. Iraq has stated a number of times they plan to back their currency 100% with reserves. The 15% number is a number that the Central Bank has set for Banks operating in Iraq. Its apples and oranges. One has very little to do with the other. It’s more dinar gurus showing their absolute ignorance.

  8. James 20th December 2010 at 15:25 #

    Stew the USA has 4.5 trillion alone so your saying the rest of the world only has .5trillion ????

  9. Stew 20th December 2010 at 15:35 #

    Where you got that number from? Seriously... I'd like to know.
    The Fed Reserve website shows that as of Dec 6, 2010, there are 917.1 Billion dollars in circulation.

  10. James 20th December 2010 at 15:38 #

    OK im with ya on that but how can we be in debt trillions ? That money is counted for Right or Wrong ?

  11. Stew 20th December 2010 at 16:08 #

    There are different classifications for money supply.
    Some countries report the numbers a bit differently, but in general they are reported this way… and I’ll add the US numbers.
    M0 is physical currency in circulation. 917 Billion
    M1 adds checking accounts and such. 1.8 Trillion
    M2 adds savings accounts and money market accounts and a few other things. 8.8 Trillion
    M3 adds even more long term type money accounts. No longer tracked, but estimated to be about 14 Trillion

    Mark Deweaver could explain this much better. But I’ll give it a quick simple shot.
    When the US spends more than we have, we create debt. That debt has to financed by someone. I’m sure you hear how China holds over $1 Trillion of our debt. That’s not M0, they don’t actually hold physical currency. That money is accounted for in the M3 number.

    Iraq doesn’t report a M3 number… but their M2 number is about 55 Trillion.

  12. Emmett 21st December 2010 at 12:19 #

    Has anyone noticed the Iraqi stock Market is nearing 100 points in the last trading session before Christmas!!!For those that are willing to risk it all in the midst of a recession.. Paying the sacrifice for Iraq's new market might be poised to win it all!!!Banks recapping at the blink of a second!!!THE ISX MIGHT BE THE HIDDEN GEM

  13. mark 24th December 2010 at 09:50 #

    hey stew,

    If Iraq is trying to get all the big notes back in house, then how can the dealers be selling billions a week? Isn't this defeating the purpose on getting ahold of their money going into circulation? Just curious. I hold a couple million so hope they won't be completely worthless when we eventually exhange out the big ones.

  14. Stew 24th December 2010 at 19:50 #

    Mark… maybe that’s a good question for the dealers and the pumpers since they are the only ones making the claim that Iraq is trying to get all the big notes back.
    I’ve never seen anything like that mentioned in a real news article.
    In other words… that claim is bogus just like most of their claims. You can still buy stacks of 25k motes from many many sources. Plus there is a possibility that they may be issuing a 100K note Would they be talking about issuing a 100K note if they were trying to get the big notes back?

  15. JC 24th December 2010 at 20:12 #

    Stew,
    The myth of the 100,000 note has already been debunked. Shabibi himself, via AKnews, said there will NOT be a 100,000 note issued.

    And, you are obviously not familiar with fractional banking, or you would already know how Iraq can and will sustain a rate to encourage investment in their country, pay off their agreement with the Paris accord, and make an entire class of new millionaires.

    Another article, which is very easy to find, talks about the removing of the 3 zeros and in fact, was stated as removing the large bills from circulation.

    I have contacts who do business in Iraq, and can tell you first hand, this is getting ready to happen. Not promoting a rate or exact date, but it will be good for the world economy.

  16. mark 25th December 2010 at 06:57 #

    Thanx for the info Stew. I was wondering the same thing. Why would they be taking out all the large bills and then creating an even larger bill? The key is to follow what's in the actual news and not get too caught up in all the hype.

  17. Stew 25th December 2010 at 07:26 #

    Sorry JC... but it is the "myth" of a big RV that has been totally debunked.
    The delete 3 zero articles that refer to removing large notes... that's refering to the entire currency. They will issue a new lower denomination currency and the entire existing big denomination currency they currently use will be replaced.

  18. JC 25th December 2010 at 09:19 #

    Shabibi is on record via multiple news agencies as stating that the large notes will be accepted along side the smaller denominational notes, for an extended period. Stew, you really need to stop spreading misinformation. You aren't debating this issue with a normal person off the street. I've studies this information inside and out, and have contacts with Iraqi linked businesses. I run 4 corporations, and hold 3 economics and business degrees. You forgot to mention how Jim Kramer is fully behind the purchase of the Iraqi Dinar, that the government is now seated in Iraq, and that there are over 20 countries who forgave Iraq their hundreds of billions in debt in exchange for Dinar. Do you really think they did that out of the goodness of their heart? Be prepared for a whole lot of anger directed at you when this does RV, and a whole group of people that you talked out of buying this product, come looking to get their pound of your flesh.

  19. Stew 25th December 2010 at 11:36 #

    JC... every lop/redenomination has an exchange period where both currencies exist side by side.
    I know 100%, without a doubt this RV talk is nothing but a scam. You are either part of it, or have fallen for it. Neither speaks well for you. I hope hundreds if not thousands have read my warnings about this scam and have avoided it or gotten out of it. I will gladly face every one of them after this plays out.
    Doubt you will be able to do the same... but I'm sure you guys will come up with some lame excuse for why it didn't happen as you predict.

  20. mark 25th December 2010 at 11:40 #

    Great debate guys! To me the 100k bill is good news because it looks like they could be postponing the redom. and letting the rate grow slowly on its own. If the currency becomes internationally recognized it's possible that it could see a modest increase in value. A starting point I read somewhere was .0008. Then depending on agreements with the IMF, govt. stability, job creation, increased infrastructure and oil production the rate could further increase although increased oil production in itself is not a guarantee of a rise in currency value. Iraq needs all of these things to properly support a higher valued dinar along with improving the liquidity of their local banks. For now I don't see them as being in a tremendous hurry to change the 1170 rate. If they do choose to redominate in the near future and change out the big bills I can see a possible revaluation after that at maybe 2 or 3x what it is now to give the dinar some added purchasing power and to help pay off debts. I don't see how they can currently revalue at say 3 dinars to 1 USD because of the huge amount of dinars in circulation. I'd like to become an instant millionaire but I'm looking at what their economy can realistically support. Like a lot of other currencies we might see a gradual increase over time but no guarantee of an enermous payout.

  21. mark 25th December 2010 at 11:49 #

    I meant to say 3 USD to 1 dinar. That's the buzz that I've seen on some rumor sites - $3.22 or $3.86 - something like that.

  22. JC 25th December 2010 at 13:05 #

    Though they have printed 27 trillion Dinar, studies show that about 80% has been reclaimed by the CBI. There is very little chance that the CBI and the IMF allow a gradual valuation. If that were to happen, the big money speculators would bleed Iraq dry. The only way you get the rest of the large notes back in is to Rv at an initial high rate to motivate those who are holding large notes to cash them in. The paris accord is coming due, and the IMF needs Iraq to make good on their promises on revaluing their currency to a world acceptable standard. If Iraq was to make the mistake of Rv'ing at say .10, China would own them in about 1 day.

    I did an extensive diagram that showed that Iraq could easily support a rate of over $8, though I highly doubt they would come near that figure. One of my contacts has submitted contracts at the $3.22 rate. They do business in Iraq, and have FAR better intel than some guy named Stew.

  23. Stew 25th December 2010 at 13:18 #

    That is a blatant lie JC. Iraq has 27 Trillion dinar in circulation per the documents on the CBI web site. You nor anyone else has any idea how many they actually printed, and how many is printed is irrelevant. It's what's n circulation and that is 27 Trillion. Their reported M2 numbers is 55 Trillion.
    There are no studies, that is more bull. There was one simple article about 8 or 9 months ago where some CBI guy said they had reduced money supply 70% and of course it was misinterpreted by the scammers. Iraq has had a 50 to 80 Trillion dollar budget for the last 5 or 6 years, so over that period they have put about 100 Trillion dinar into circulation. The CBI auctions that people post the numbers for every day on dinar boards, those auctions are used to buy back dinar to re-use again. They have bought back about 70% of that 100 Trillion, which means they still have about 27 trillion in circulation. That is backed up by the CBI and IMF reports that show 27 Trillion and the "delete 3 zero" articles that even mention the 27 trillion.
    Please show me one of these studies you refer to that shows 80% of 27 trillion removed. You wont because you can't. They don't exist. It's a scammer lie.

  24. JC 25th December 2010 at 13:45 #

    Stew, are you aware of how fractional banking works? I suggest you look it up. Show me one article that shows 27 Trillion in current circulation. I spend multiple hours daily researching this investment, and am the owner of multiple multiple millions in Dinar. I'm not a dealer, and I'm not a pumper. What I am, is a businessman who runs 4 very successful companies. I've invested and made more money in the stock market and currency trading than you'll probably make in your life time. I'm very secure in what I've invested in, so you can take your advise and peddle it to those who are stupid enough to believe in what you say. However, when the RV does happen, either this year or next, I'll be the one laughing at you while you are bemoaning the missed opportunity.

  25. mark 25th December 2010 at 13:52 #

    The dinar is a legit. currency. Any currency can oscillate or even go up substantially under the right conditions and a lot of people gamble on that. The scam is people buying in after clearly being led to believe that it's going to revalue at an enormous amount and turn an investment of $1000 into millions. Or another scam is buying the old currency which is worthless now or buying fake currency which can't be traded in. The worst case scenario is a redom. without a revaluation and we cash our large bills in and break even (minus the spread paid to dealers). The best case - no one really knows. I've seen lop, then no lop, then they're adding the 100k bills. I don't think anyone except possibly Shabs and Malaki really knows 100% how this is going to go down. I'm not an economist so I can't predict exactly what their economy will be able to support over time. Having Ch. 7 removed and forming a govt. are big steps in the right direction. We've been at 1170 for over 4 years now and will that rate work in a new era of stability and economic growth? I think there's some chance to make money here which is why I'm still in the investment. For people who want to become millionaires tomorrow or next week, I guess they should buy a powerball ticket.

  26. JC 25th December 2010 at 14:08 #

    I agree Mark, but the one thing people tend to forget when discussing this currency, is just how much natural resources the country is sitting on. 140 BILLION barrels of known reserves, an additional 120-150 billion untapped reserves, with new discoveries being made every week. #2 natural gas reserve in the world, a tremendous amount of gold, copper, agriculture, tourism for holy sites, etc etc.

    Never before, has a country been on the brink of re-entering the world market with all the wealth available to be made. regardless of what Stewart wants to think, I have personal contacts that ARE doing business in Iraq. Again, they have contracts for the $3.22 rate, and are written to adjust according to the potential higher rate. In otherwords, their contracts CAN'T GO DOWN!

  27. mark 25th December 2010 at 14:31 #

    JC... Congrats on making all that money in your investments and trading. I've tried to diversify as much as possible but I actually have less than 10% invested in currency. I can't argue that they are sitting on a ton of possible wealth. There will probably be billions made in Iraqi stocks if this all pans out. I don't see how they can afford a huge increase in the currency value without being awash in a ton of debt. I don't see in any of the news reports where they're factoring an RV into the budget plans. Most everything I see talks about them borrowing money or being short of funds. I can't argue with what your contacts over there are saying, but it seems like an extremely high rate. I mean if it RVd at even a dollar that's more than the GNP of most major countries put together. And why would they want to pay out all that money to foreign investors? I won't complain if they do it! lol. It just seems like a fantasy to me. I do like Iraq's prospects though. I'm curious what the economic implications for them would be in a lop then no RV, a modest increase in value over time possibly by going on the free market, or an RV at say .01, .10 or $3.22 that you're saying is possible. Doesn't seem to me like they're quite ready yet but I'd like to be proven wrong.

  28. JC 25th December 2010 at 14:59 #

    I really enjoy talking with someone who has an open mind. As far as your investments, 10-15% in foreign currency is about right. If you already haven't, I'd suggest looking at the Vietnamese Dong currency, as they are also poised to experience growth.

    There are 2 things people forget when talking about this investment. First, nobody is going to walk into their bank and ask for a cash out. It's all electronic transfers. The fractional banking side plays into the banks ability to borrow money based on their ledger. If I deposit 1 million into a B of A account, it allows B of A to borrow 10 million against my million.

    The Un and the IMF combined are holding nearly a trillion in cash that was frozen by the UN at the start of the gulf war. This money has been released back to Iraq. Foreign oil companies have signed over 300 contracts for oil field development, facility, refinery and pipeline improvements, new housing, electrical and structural improvements, all related to oil. These contracts alone amount to almost 2 Trillion Dinar.

    Do you remember way back when GW told us the war would end up paying for itself? The very fact the US is holding onto a large supply of Dinar, along with other countries like China, France, Australia, England and many others. We hold all the cards, and this government is a direct reflection of the people the Us want in power. Trust me when I say the US will not lose their grip on their new oil field buddy, Iraq. In order for Iraq to continue to pull in foreign investment, their currency must take on a value nearly equal to the regional currency standard. 1,170 Dinar to the dollar will not cut it. They must raise it or they will never have any wealth.

  29. mark 25th December 2010 at 15:49 #

    I've looked at the dong but haven't done too much research on that. I've heard the yuan might be a good investment as well. I can't find any definite sources that show where other countries are invested in the dinar but if Iraq gets their infrastructure to work and function properly as well as take advantage of all their natural resources I can see at least an incremental increase in value that would give the Iraqi citizens more purchasing power and be productive for the overall economy. There are still things that need to done first but it's possible that Shabibi might move the currency to around 900-750 soon as a prepping point before internationalization of the currency. Possibly another chunk soon after that. That's a realistic liklihood given the circumstances but at this point I think everything is still pretty much opinion and not fact. A year - or 5 years from now I think we're going to see a completely different picture than we see now and one that might can realistically support a much higher value. I'd like to see a higher value, but I haven't seen anything in the news yet that says anything about an RV although I guess they haven't ruled it out. Most of the articles I've seen clearly talk about removing the zeros from the currency and I think I've seen maybe one from 2006 or something like that which actually mentioned that a higher valued dinar would be good for the country. I'm open to whatever happens and if we make some money before all this is said and done I think I can live with that 🙂

  30. Stew 25th December 2010 at 20:04 #

    JC... It’s laughable that you claim to be a seasoned investor and yet you don’t even understand the most basic principle of value… which is supply vs demand.
    Also… you seem to believe that the Iraqi government has been pre-announcing the world for the last 4 or 5 years that they would increase the value of their currency 100,000% or more.
    Your claim of $1 Trillion in frozen assets is another bald faced dinar dealer pumper lie. You are full of them. Iraq’s total debt at the beginning of all this was only $300 billion. There would have been no need for debt forgiveness from any country if that were true. They could have paid off their debt and had $700 Billion left. There would be no need for loans. Iraq has been under an IMF Stand By Arrangement for years/ If they had assets anywhere near your claim, the IMF SBA would have never happened. The Central Bank of Iraq and IMF websites along with a number of recent articles verify that Iraq has about $55 Billion in assets
    I can almost assuredly say that you are a dealer, or one of their paid pumpers. No doubt in my mind.

  31. hd 25th December 2010 at 21:40 #

    hey when the money eventually does go up how will you cash in the money? bank of america doesnt take it and it seems only foreign banks do and not that many
    please fill me in on this
    thanks

  32. JC 26th December 2010 at 00:41 #

    Stew, here's the link to prove the frozen assets.

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/21/news/frozen_assets/

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BANKS+TRANSFER+FROZEN+IRAQI+ASSETS.-a0105541671

    Now, want to try again?

    The Paris accord FORGAVE Iraq 33 BILLION in debt.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aI9RVOVmxNvc&refer=top_world_news

    And, Shabibi on record as saying the Dinar needs to revalue to a sustainable currency.

    http://currencynewshound.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/shabibi-this-years-budget-focused-on-increasing-investments-raising-dinar-is-a-method-to-combat-inflation/

    Now, as far as me being paid by, employed by or a Dinar dealer, son, you have no clue. They couldn't pay me enough money to give up what I do now. I'm invested, probably more invested than you'll earn in 5 years. Just a clue. remember the Kuwait Dinar? When it crashed to .10, I made a KILLING on that currency, and will again here. I bet you were telling everyone to stay away then as well. I'm done debating you. Keep spreading your pathetic lies. Anyone dumb enough to believe you gets what they deserve. I'll wave to you on my way to the bank, again.

  33. Karen 26th December 2010 at 07:06 #

    I bought 500.00 US in Iraqi Dinar through 5th 3rd bank...not alot like the some on this post .....but if it works out great the kids have extra in the college fund. If not ..cie la vie, I haven't lost the farm.
    Momma always said when it comes to speculating ask your self one question : How much can I afford to lose?
    Some friends I have believe this will be thier big payday .....me ?I'll continue to run my business and hope for the best and prepare for the worst just as I have done for so many years.
    You all make very compelling arguments for both sides of this coin but that could be said for any subject , like anything else it is a risk when you invest.

  34. peter 29th December 2010 at 04:21 #

    Hi Mark.
    I really do enjoy you cool head about the IQD revalue.
    I feel we are sitting on the biggest option in oil the world has ever seen.
    Ok It looks like we are getting the volume at the ISX,have you seen it ?
    Wow,what a move in the two weeks !!
    I would love your take on it,what do you see bro ?
    Also what about the new Erbil exchange..I'm thinking of putting 10 k USD there and forget about it..Do you have any thoughts about that..?
    take care ..
    Peter

  35. peter 29th December 2010 at 04:24 #

    Oh.. Mark ..Can I ask you ..Are you invested in the ISX ?
    And can you recommend a securities firm there.thanks

  36. gr 29th December 2010 at 04:51 #

    Hello, All: First of all, I am not a seasoned investor, especially in foreign currencies, nor do I claim to be. But, as my grandma said (rest in peace), I have plenty of book sense and a whole lot more common sense. I have read thousands of pages (govt and news, not rumor boards) in the past few weeks. I feel I have made a well-informed decision in purchasing IQD, which I could easily afford, and it has not hindered my finances in any way. Much less than I've wasted on lotto, raffle tickets, scam businesses, lost in my 401K due to the declining economy, etc. I have learned and understand a lot of terminology, but let's keep this elementary for the normal folks such as myself.

    Book Sense:

    Let's look at it this way. Iraq was one of the richest countries in the world. Oil was $15/barrel and their currency was $3.22/$1 IQD/USD. They behaved badly. The UN and IMF as a form of punishment blackballed their currency and overnight it was useless on the world market. Their oil, however, was still good, hence the Food for Oil program. Their currency was only needed for their citizens. They have kept it low to keep inflation down internally. (BTW, there can be two values on a currency - internal (Iraq) and external (everybody else).

    Iraq has met almost every requirement and prerequisite placed on them to get 'out of punishment.' Mama IMF and Papa UN no longer have them on full punishment. Now, Oil is no longer their 'form of currency' because it can be sold. Wow, Oil Sales. Now, they are producing 2.6 million barrels per day (way above any record in the past) and it is no longer $15/barrel, but a whopping $90+/barrel. So, by selling oil, their currency will now have value because it will once again be usable in the free market.

    Common Sense:

    Iraq is no longer on punishment. Their oil has to be paid for now by the same countries who used to pay for it. They again will rise to the top of the ME countries being paid billions per year in oil sales. Shell and other companies are making their way there right now to drill new wells as we speak. Do you honestly think these people will remain poor and broke? Then you're ignorant. Or just stupid. Or just blind. THEY CAN NOW SELL OIL, PEOPLE. When their IQD was knocked down to a penny on the dollar, THEY COULD NOT SELL OIL.

    So, you're telling me these people possess billions of dollars in oil, but they won't make money off the sale of it? Come on... Dude, seriously? That would be like you finding a gold mine in your back yard, and you sold it for millions, but you remained broke and in poverty, but with a pocketful of cash. These people (the new govt) are busting their ass to satisfy IMF and the UN. The IMF and the UN countries are busting their ass to help them. Why? Because they are all invested in this.

    We (US) among many other countries hold billions of Iraqi dollars in our reserves at penny value. Do you honestly think we're not all waiting to cash it in? So, if we're stupid for investing in this penny stock, so is the US govt and many others. This RV is gonna get a lot of countries out of some debt, along with a small portion of us small-time average folks. God, I love being a normal, average person.

    Any questions?

    You have now been schooled in 'Dinar for Dummies.'

  37. EMMETT 29th December 2010 at 08:11 #

    I would have to say Credit Bank and Al Warka are hot banks...I wounder if we can get back to to 2007 averages.

  38. yippee101 29th December 2010 at 12:54 #

    Baghdad (NINA)- The Ministry of Finance has denied the news suggesting the Central Bank of Iraq's intention to issue a 100,000-Dinar notes. A ministry source said Saturday that the news, spread among local currency brokers that the CBI intends to issue a 100,000 Iraqi Dinar notes, are untrue and "aims at impeding the economic activities." The monetary policy of the Central Bank and of the government in general drive at reducing the rate of inflation in the economy, said the source.

  39. James 30th December 2010 at 06:48 #

    hd

    When this thing RVs their money will become internationally tradeable and there for all banks will trade it just like the GBP etc....so i really wouldn't worry there

    Come on Stew need to hear from you now I sit here waiting to hear what you got to say now

    This IQD is a great debate 🙂

  40. JC 30th December 2010 at 10:25 #

    Stew is sitting in some bar, nursing a Nati light, sticking to his guns that this is a scam.

    However, in the last 24 hours, a ton of information has come out that shows the RV is closer than we all realize, and "could" happen this weekend. The IMF is preparing a basket of currencies to revalue, and with the growing pressure by the US, Europe and others, Iraq is running out of time. I am not saying it will happen this weekend, and I am not suggesting that anyone run out and buy anything you can't afford to live without in the immediate future.

    I'm sitting on a very nice pile of Dinar, and have zero regrets in buying it.

  41. Stew 30th December 2010 at 11:09 #

    JC… LOL…your link shows 1.7 BILLION in frozen assets. If you don’t know the difference between a Billion and a Trillion then no wonder you’re having trouble understanding Iraq’s currency.
    You show a link where Shabibi says they can increase the value of the dinar. So what. They increased it for years. From 1365 down to 1170. That’s a big increase. Where does Shabibi say they will increase it 100,000% or more like you pumpers claim.

    I know now you are a liar. Tell us how you got your Kuwaiti dinars for 10 cents?

  42. peter 30th December 2010 at 11:20 #

    Stew,Happy new year ! Now please stop calling my friends lier's...
    I'm mean come on dude..?...
    I'm wondering if you have prostate trouble or something..?
    I mean do you have any kind of social life,Bro..?
    Geeze..
    Ok..now let's grow up..
    Thanks..

    Now for everyone else..The IQD is a great long term option on $$$ tons of oil..!!! ...I'm in BIGTIME...and my ISX dinars are up almost 10% in 4 weeks..yes..I love Iraq..I love GWB..
    Blessings to all this amazing new year....yes even Stew 🙂
    This thing gonna blow guys !!!

  43. Stew 30th December 2010 at 11:21 #

    GR... you are ignoring the fact that Iraq increased their money supply from 20 some billion to 20 some trillion durung that period.
    That's what destroyed the rate... not some mandate from the IMF or US.
    That's a 1000 times increase in money supply. They can restore the value if they also restore the money supply by reducing it 1000 times. That's exactly what the "delete 3 zero" articles mean.
    They are not announcing to the world that they are going to RV 100,000%.

  44. Stew 30th December 2010 at 11:31 #

    Classic Dinaraholic post Peter…
    No facts and personally attack the poster

  45. JC 30th December 2010 at 13:03 #

    Stew,
    Who attacked who? You sure are a real billy bad ass behind a computer screen.

    The 1,170 rate has been fixed for several years. Before that, it was holding at around 3,000. These rates were established by the CBI. You don't have the testicular fortitude to know when to shut your mouth and admit you are wrong. I guess Jim Kramer changing his recommendation from a hold to strong buy of the Dinar just a few weeks back is also a lie?

    Son, I've forgotten more about investing, that you will ever know. Now, run along and crawl back into your basement you rent from mom and dad.

  46. peter 30th December 2010 at 14:09 #

    JC..I love you..ahaha..you tell umm..
    I'm happy with 120 million.
    GOT DINARS ?

  47. Stew 30th December 2010 at 15:08 #

    JC.. Stop your bullcrap pumping of the Dinar. It’s a SCAM!!!
    You claimed 1 Trillion in frozen assets, then produce a link showing 1 Billion. That is perfectly fitting for a dinar fool, because the whole dinar equation you pumpers present is off buy a factor of 1000.
    Jim Crammers ignorance on the subject is stunning. An ETF on a pegged currency?? That is absurd! Anyone with any investment savvy would understand that.
    As far as I know Cramer has never mentioned the dinar again since that stupid comment he made.
    Now you claim that Cramer has said to buy Dinar.
    Cramer said to buy BofA… but being the good little pumper you are, you twisted it into a dinarland lie.
    Your deception knows no bounds

  48. James 30th December 2010 at 15:14 #

    STEW

    Comon man tell the truth you work for the GOI or CBI right
    you have to! That would be the only reason your here , Remember your not invested anymore so why would you have a interest here or have a interest in anyone else who may have dinars Stew Comon don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining outside

  49. mark 30th December 2010 at 15:15 #

    Haven't been on here in a while and only have a couple minutes now. JC, sounds like you've made some pretty sound investment decisions in the past. I'd like to see the IQD at $3 just like you but wouldn't a redomination followed by a 3 to 1 RV accomplish that without them having to pay out trillions to out of the country investors and speculators? We'd still see some profit in that scenario plus Iraq would get their circulation down to a reasonable figure. Or it could be left alone and continue to grow on it's own. As their economy improves and they become a much bigger player on the world market I'm guessing it's possible that we could see a rate near Saudi Arabia's one day in the future. I'm all for a $3.22 to 1 RV because I'd like to become a millionaire. If other countries really are invested in the IQD like you say then maybe there will be some pressure for them to revalue at something reasonably higher than where it is now. I'm hoping your logic is right. Stew, your facts are 100% on the money from everything I've researched. I've seen articles saying they were going to lop then articles saying they weren't so I don't think even they know what they're going to do yet. I hope it will go up in value eventually but I'd be shocked at a 100,000% return. Peter, I'm kind of new to international investments. Except for the dinar I really haven't done too much extensive research. The Mesopotamia Equity Fund Ltd. looks very promising but I'm probably not the best guy to give investment advice. lol. It looks like Iraq has a ton of unrealized investment potential and I'm going to do some more research and I'll let you know my take on it.

  50. Stew 30th December 2010 at 16:15 #

    The IMF stated this about the dinar recently.

    "A very crude assessment suggests that the dinar is broadly in line with fundamentals. With the drop in oil prices... the dinar could even be somewhat overvalued."