History’s lesson for the dinar

I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.

While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.

But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?

Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)

The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.

History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.

600 Responses to History’s lesson for the dinar

  1. JC 30th December 2010 at 18:21 #

    WHAT DROP IN OIL PRICES? OMG, you are a fool! Oil won't drop, but will continue to soar well past $100 a barrel by spring.

    Again Stewart, FRACTIONAL BANKING. Look it up.

    Kramer DID say BUY THE DINAR just 4 weeks ago. He also said buy B of A, as they are going to be a major player in cashing in here in the US.

    Me, a pumper? For the last time, i am not involved with, affiliated with, nor support a single Dinar dealer. I have not received one single Dinar from telling people about this great investment. It's YOU Stewart, that is the liar. Calling a CURRENCY, that I can take down to ANY Dinar trader, sell back at a slight loss, a scam, is just plain crap! There are also a growing list of banks in the Us that I can take my Dinar too, and sell back at the current buy rate minus spread. 5/3rd bank is just one of many banks now selling and buying Dinar. Blows your entire scam argument right out of the water.

    Game, set and match.

    Now, go home little boy, and shut the hell up! I'll be back on here after the RV to rub it in your smarmy little face.

  2. gr 30th December 2010 at 19:39 #

    OMG. Would you guys grow up an stop arguing? Is this the fricking great debate? You either are in or out. POINT BLANK. You can't change each other's minds. This has become a case of 'Who Gets the Last Word!' You guys are becoming very repetitive. My mind is made up. Your minds are made up. Stop fighting and shut up already!

  3. Karen 31st December 2010 at 06:30 #

    I read (please don't ask where I just don't remember the site) that Iraq will require when they revalue the Dinar you will need papers (a reciept)to prove you bought your Dinar after the announcement that anything before will be worthless?it was called "learning a lesson on the Kuwait Dinar" a few years ago.

  4. gr 31st December 2010 at 06:49 #

    Karen, you will be doing a currency 'exchange' with a bank or dealer or financial institution. You will not be dealing with Iraq. Trust me, I'm in Kuwait, you would never make it into there, and I'm sure you don't want to go...LOL. They have audited their banks to ensure that no money laundering, etc., was taking place. In Kuwait's incident, they destroyed all the old money and replaced it with new. This is the new currency that was printed 'after' the overthrow of Saddam and his regime. There is no reason for anyone to think you obtained your money illegally. I utilize the currency exchange here in Kuwait several times a week. They don't ask, where did you get your US dollars, where did you get your Kuwaiti dinars, etc. They simply ask what you want to exchange your currency for. When you go to a bank stateside, no one asks where you got the cash you're depositing. It could be from a drug deal, a robbery, etc. You don't have to have proof or purchase. Money is money. Don't let people's speculations and doubts worry you. You are going to be fine. When the RV happens, find the bank offering the best exchange rate or spread and put your IQD in a non-interest bearing account (if you have millions like me), to avoid severe tax repercussions until you consult a professional financial broker, tax professional or CPA, etc.

  5. Karen 31st December 2010 at 07:10 #

    Thank you for clarifying that "GR" it's appreciated. This is truely not my thing but I as I said in an earlier post, I didn't spend what I couldn't afford to lose.Thank you for your time. Any other websites that I can use to find out more info on timelines...Right now I'm just surfing hoping to find out what I can . I have used Newshoundcurrency.org ....It seems to give day to day updates.

  6. Stew 2nd January 2011 at 12:45 #

    Karen. There will be no magical RV. That’s a scam. There will be a redenomination. A new currency will be issued and all current currency will be exchange at a rate of 1000 old for 1 new. That’s what remove 3 zeros means. Iraqis will have no trouble doing this.
    Holding dinar outside of Iraq is very risky. Most likely no banks in the US will deal with a redenominated currency and you will be forced to sell back to the same people that pushed this scam. Being unscrupulous people, don’t expect much from them.

  7. Stew 2nd January 2011 at 12:50 #

    Remember... The IMF recently stated this about the Iraqi Dinar.

    “A very crude assessment suggests that the dinar is broadly in line with fundamentals. With the drop in oil prices… the dinar could even be somewhat overvalued.”

    Don't believe the lies.

  8. JC 2nd January 2011 at 20:37 #

    Karen,
    Disregard Stewart Little, henceforth known as "Chicken Little". He was denied too much of the tit as a child, hence his current demeanor.

    There is OVERWHELMING evidence that this is not only NOT a scam, but will reward you with a very good return on your investment. By definition, a scam, is a scheme where you have no chance of recovering your money paid out. This is a FEDERALLY regulated investment opportunity. The Dinar dealers are licensed and regulated by our federal government, and under Presidential order 13303, allowing the US citizen to invest in Iraq, the same as if he/she were Iraqi citizens. I can walk into 5/3rd bank tomorrow, and cash in my 127 million Dinar for over $900 per million, which means on my newer Dinar, I lose money, but on the Dinar I bought when it was 3,500-1, I MAKE money.

    SCAM SCAM SCAM? Give me a break its legal currency so how the hell can it be a SCAM? This is the exact same money that is used in Iraq. Anyone who claims they looked into the dinar and says that it's a SCAM didn't look into anything. They simply decided on a whim that since they too are capable of attaining this wealth, then it must be too good to be true. Would you be investing in a SCAM if you were exchanging dinar for Euro or Yuan, instead of USD? No!! Many uneducated people, and that includes Chicken Little, thank that since there is a chance to create wealth, people assume its too good to be true. Closed minded idiots, do yourself a favor and exercise some common sense. Do a little research on the history of the dinar. Start here, http://www.edinarfinancial.net/history.php Clearly the cause of the Iraqi dinar losing its value has been fixed and it is poised to return to its pre Saddam era value.

    I am an adult. I bought my dinars consciously as an investment. I researched the investment prior to purchasing any dinars, I clearly understand this is a HIGHLY speculative investment, and no matter the outcome I am an investor who made a conscious choice with eyes wide open. I am responsible for my choice.

    Thus, if this doesn't pan out like I hope it does then I will not run to some government agency and cry that I am a victim of a "scam". That anyone would is beyond my comprehension. This is the primary reason why I have been selective in whom I have shared this investment opportunity with.

    Many in our country have fallen into a mindset in recent years where they seem to feel someone should bail them out from their choices if they turn out badly. I (unfortunately) see parents do this with their children all the time; they bail them out, run in and "rescue" them from their bad choices rather than letting them learn from the consequences of their choices. This, IMO, raises up children who have no (or an under-developed)sense of personal responsibility. (This means you Chicken Little) Perhaps this is where this collective bad-habit has originated from.

    I assert we should not become dinar investors in the first place if our tendency will be to run off crying "victim" if this doesn't go the way we hope it will; not any more than those who lost money with their investments in the stock market. We take a conscious risk, we bear the burden of "bad" consequences just as much as we get the joy of "good" consequences.

    The one caveat is if someone calls you on the phone and talks you in to buying (for example) 1,000,000 IQDs for some ridiculously high amount which is so far over the current market value - like the Japanese man who was called and talked into buying something like 1,000,000 dinars for $25,000 USD (can't remember the exact amounts but for the sake of this example I chose these amounts). That would indeed be a rip off or a scam. However, shame on anyone who gives money over the phone to an unknown person without first researching what is being sold.

    If we bought your dinars from a trader or a bank (rather than off eBay!! Buyer beware!) for the current market value (give or take) then we have not been scammed; we are investors in a speculative investment opportunity and we alone are obligated to do our due diligence prior to making the investment. We stand to benefit if this turns out well, and we will bear the burden of loss if this does not turn out well. Period. IMHO.

    My Financial Planner introduced me to Forex trading 2 years ago and I had the opportunity to meet several people who made very large returns on the money they invested.

    The people I have met and have done very well in Forex had several things in common....A POSITIVE ATTITUDE, OPEN MINDEDNESS, A GREAT DEAL OF PATIENCE, DILLIGENCE, AND COMMON SENSE.

    I think a majority of us who are serious about the RV possess many of the attributes listed above. I also think most of us who have experience with Forex and other investments are not easily rattled by negativity or ignorant comments (Again, aimed directly at Chicken Little) because we have done our research and have seen positive results first hand. I guess the question you have to ask yourself, is would OUR Federal Government be involved in a scam, that will effect the worlds economy? How about China, England, Australia and all the other countries who has forgiven Iraq's tremendous pile of debt, in exchange for Dinar? Would the US have pushed so hard for Iraq's removal from Chapter 7 sanctions last month if they were not going to be a major player in the worlds economy? And lastly, would Secretary of State Hillary Clinton be PUSHING for US companies to get involved in bidding for Iraqi contracts, and would those companies be involved in re-building Iraq, if the Dinar was going to stay nothing more, than the prettiest toilet paper in the world? It could Rv in the next few days, weeks, months or even years, but it WILL RV.

    In closing, it's up to you, and anyone else to investigate, study and research this investment. I wish all of you the very best.

  9. Stew 2nd January 2011 at 21:45 #

    JC again brings the dealer/pumper lies to a news site. Your claim about P.O. 13303 is a deliberate lie made up by scammers who want people to believe in a magical RV of 100,000% or more. 13303 is an order to protect the Development Fund of Iraq and Iraq assets from lawsuits. Simple as that. Not one single word about investing in dinar. A dealer made up a press release and made false claims and the pumpers like JC did their job promoting the lie.

    JC’s claim of getting dinar at 3500-1 is also a blatant lie. Go to the CBI web site and click on Currency Auctions, then click the link for Exchange Rates. It gives the exchange rate for the Iraqi dinar all the way back to Jan 1st, 2004.
    Jan 1st, 2004. The day the 3 month currency exchange ended the dinar exchange rate was 1695. JC is a big part of the Iraqi dinar scam.

  10. JC 3rd January 2011 at 00:40 #

    Even the Pm of Iraq has acknowledged that the Dinar needs to Revalue.

    PM on Iraqi Dinar Re-evaluation

    Posted on 01 March 2010. Tags: Banking & Finance

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said on Sunday that the process to re-evaluate the Iraqi dinar has to do with economic conditions that have to be strengthened.

    “The Iraqi dinar has every reason to grow stronger thanks to an increase in revenues and development of the economy,” Maliki said in response to questions through the National Information Center.

    “The government would not rush matters but would rather work on finding guarantees to render this measure a success. The Central Bank of Iraq (CBI) is currently entrusted with drawing up a study on the whole issue and would give its decision soon,” said the Iraqi premier.

    The Iraqi dinar’s exchange rate is suffering from low value against foreign currencies as a result of decades of wars and economic embargo that brought the local currency’s exchange rate to the rock bottom from three dinars per dollar in the late 1970s and 1980s to 3,000 dinars per dollar after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait, followed by a 13-year crippling sanctions regime.

    The exchange rate fell even more after 2003 to reach 1170 dinars per dollar due to the CBI’s policy of daily auction, in effect for more than five years now.

    The policy was lambasted by several economists on the grounds that these auctions do not give the real value of the country’s local currency.

    Ok Stewart, I guess the Iraqi Prime Minister is also lying? Maybe he's also a pumper? This article was from March 2010, BEFORE Chapter 7 was released, before Iraq was given it's freedom to open up it's oil fields for further development, and before oil skyrocketed to $90+ per barrel. I just shot another of your Scam lies out of the sky. Debating you is like fishing in a barrel. You are the easiest fish I've ever seen. Maybe I'll hire you to polish the rims of my Bentley.

  11. Stew 3rd January 2011 at 01:15 #

    So you think they have been announcing to the world a 100,000% increase in the value of their currency?
    I got a bridge in Brooklyn and some prime land in Florida you’d be interested in too.

  12. JC 3rd January 2011 at 01:56 #

    That's the best you have? You are dismissed.

  13. Karen 3rd January 2011 at 06:01 #

    Wow.....impressive and bold JC.....As I said I did not exchange more than I can afford and I went through 5th/3rd bank. I have been reading the news out of Iraq through currencynewshound. I understand pretty much how this works any advice for after the revaluation? I am aware of putting it in a non interest bearing account...I think I understand that I was thinking Gold! Any thoughts?

  14. Karen 3rd January 2011 at 06:04 #

    Also Stew so you are aware , my brother went to his bank on Friday to exchange and he was told on friday "no banks will be exchanging Iraqi Dinar today".

  15. JC 3rd January 2011 at 11:04 #

    Hi Karen,

    Thank you. Yes, I am bold, but also back my claims with links and data.

    I'd suggeststaying away frrom gold, as I'm hearing a lot about it going down at least 50% in value once this does RV. Your best bet is to find a very knowledgable financial planner to assist in your future plans. I highly recommend Sun America. They manage my portfolios nicely. Also, find a solid tax atty, preferably one who is also a licensed CPA. You get the best of both worlds.

    I encourage you to buy real estate. Don't finance it, buy it outright. I've got a Real Estate Investment Trust that I funded with $4 million, and I use it to buy and flip properties all around the west, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Utah and Colorado. I stay out of California, as its going to be a very long time before their economy improves. Best of luck to you.

  16. Stew 3rd January 2011 at 11:53 #

    JC…LOL
    You have lied about studies showing 80% reduction of currency. The proof is reported by the CBI and IMF web sites. They still have 27 Trillion in circulation.
    You lied about 1 Trillion in frozen assets. You provided a link showing 1 Billion.
    You lied about Kuwait!
    You lied about PO 13303
    You lied about getting dinar for 3500-1
    You lied about the US holding dinar.
    You lied about people getting contracts at $3.22
    You lied about Cramer, he recommended BofA and you twisted it to dinar.

    You have no understanding of Fractional Banking. It has nothing to do with foreign currency reserves which is what a country like Iraq backs it’s currency with.
    So you either lied about your education or you need to ask for a refund.

    Why would anyone believe a single word you type?

  17. Smart Dinar 3rd January 2011 at 12:11 #

    The Iraqi dinar is a real currency. It is not a scam. What is a scam are those spreading misinformation (LIES)so they can take advantage of those who don't know.

    Okay, Iraq has just under or at 50 billion in reserves USD.

    they have 50+ trillion look up their M2. TRILLION
    (that is 12 zeroes!)
    http://cbi.iq/documents/key%20financial.xls

    Look at what the other countries in the region are reporting

    M2 Kuwait - 25,400,000 billion Kuwaiti dinars
    M3 UAE - 998,700,000 billion Dirhams
    M3 SAUDI ARABIA - 1,028,944,000,000 TRILLIONS riyal
    M3 Bahrain - 9,210,000,000 billion dinar

    JC, where is the voodoo economics that can explain how Iraq will revalue their dinar? Iraq's money supply is clearly way way to high its 50 times more than the #1 oil producer in the WORLD Saudi Arabia. Even with as much oil as Iraq has making them the potential #1 oil producer (provided they don't fall apart), they will never be able to give true value to 50+ trillion dinars and they are currently only doing 2.7mbd of oil. They have to totally rebuild their infrastructure of their country. Do you understand that? No way. All I can tell the Iraqi's have done in their economy so far in my own research is address the past inflation carried over from the old sadam dinars.

    They will re denominate for sure.

    JC you are dismissed unless you care to respond. 😉

  18. mark 3rd January 2011 at 17:18 #

    Wow the debate's still going on! JC, It sounds like you've done pretty well for yourself investment wise so it seems suprising that you'd be heavily invested in this if it really is a losing venture. If Iraq eventually wants get the dinar on parity with the USD or back to $3.22 where it was originally wouldn't it make more sense to redominate (lop) and then RV at say $3 to 1? That way their currency would have a very respectable value on the world market and investors would make a 3 to 1 profit. Not the millions we're hoping for but still a decent return. Wouldn't this be a win-win for everyone and Iraq wouldn't have to pay out trillions to foreign investors. I'd like to see an RV as much as you would because I know I need the money! If other countries are holding dinar and if there really are less than 27 tril. in circulation then maybe they could afford something around a penny to .10 and then possibly move upwards towards Saudi Arabia's rate as time progesses and their infrastructure develops. I like the way you think though and hopefully I'll see you at the bank sometime this year. 🙂

    Stew, everything you've said so far seems to be completely accurate from what I can see. It's hard to make 1 + 1 = $300,000 that's for sure. I've seen articles stating that they're going to redominate and a fairly recent one listing the disadvantages of doing so. I still don't think they even know what they're going to do. I'd like to see them grow the rate on their own and if it becomes internationally recognized possibly let the free market determine the rate. They seem to be functioning OK with the 1170 rate for right now. I know when I originally invested the rate was over 1400 so it has seen a modest increase in value. Actually it's performed better than a lot of my other investments! lol. Everything that you've said looks to be rock solid but I am hoping that they'll decide to grow the rate on their own before lopping.

    Peter, I'm not the best guy to give advice on foreign investments. Lost my shirt on a Hong Kong stock a while back. At the current time my investment potential is limited but I'd say the Mesopotamia Equity Fund sounds like a good bet if you have $$ to spare.

  19. James 3rd January 2011 at 17:50 #

    It all sounds good guys but lets look at this again if they (lop)

    That would be a devalue and i don't think it can devalue anymore AGREE?? the whole RD thing writing at the XE site says they may it doesn't say they will

    Now why i think it can still happen at least 1 to 1 that's 1 USD to every 1 Dinar here is why this could happen OK we know there is 27 trillion or at least that's what they say. IMO they will never tell us the truth when it comes to currency when they know if they did there would be a run on it now with 27 trillion first you have CBI who hold X amount, There is the USA who hold X amount AU, JAP, UK etc... many more i amuse? So this could easily leave in country circulation 1 trillion or less not to or to include lower notes none of don't know this to be fact but my point is the CBI has their Dinars in their coffers so no loss there all the countries that hold their Dinars will buy future oil at whatever they agreed at and when inverters cash in it goes to our FEDS which will be used to buy future oil at the same time when they spend this money they will also destroy them as well so they will never enter Iraq it will all be on a credit basis and Iraq removes their 000s , I also believe that you will not see the lower notes outside the country until their 000s are removed to keep US from buying more even at a buck OK all done hey i could be wrong i believe no one really knows whats gonna happen but that's my 2 Dinars worth

  20. gr 3rd January 2011 at 17:58 #

    NO LOP. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!
    http://m.aknews.com/en/aknews/2/176758/
    Can't afford a reprint either.

  21. mark 3rd January 2011 at 18:40 #

    James, I guess the value would pretty much be the same, a 25k note would be exchanged for a 25 note - no net gain or loss. A lot of this is speculation and I haven't seen any solid proof one way or the other if other countries are holding dinar but if they are then there might be some outside pressure for Iraq to increase the value somewhat. It's all speculation you know? I figure I've been in it this long and it has gone up some so if they don't lop or let the value increase some more before they do lop then we can possibly make some money. It's just like any other of my investments - I'd be crazy to want to lose my money but at the same time I'm trying to keep it real and look at all sides. gr, it looks like from that article that they're still weighing their options but could be leaning against a lop in the near future. Hope that's the case.

  22. Stew 3rd January 2011 at 19:22 #

    James... just as Mark said. A lop does not devalue the currency. A lop is revenue neutral. No loss and no gain for Iraqis. There will be a loss involved for foriegners holding cash.

    GR... that is one article thst quotes the DEPUTY Finance Minister. His boss... the actual Finance Minister is the one who started pushing the lop years ago. The Finance Minister and the CBI are for the lop. I am glad to see you realize the "delete 3 zero" articles are talking about a lop, and not some fantasy RV.

  23. JC 3rd January 2011 at 19:54 #

    Mark,
    Yes, still here. I'll continue to bash Stewart Littles stupidity until he folds up and dies.

    In recent weeks, several news articles have come out directly from Iraq and the CBI, where they are saying up front, there will not be a LOP. Too many countries have forgiven Iraq of it's tremendous debt burden, to allow Iraq to then skate off. Here is the link to a fantastic blog site with a very well respected economics authority, Marcus Curtis who discusses the potential RV rates, and talks heavily about the LOP.

    http://iraqcurrencywatch.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/the-truth-about-the-iraqi-dinar-part-2/

  24. Stew 3rd January 2011 at 21:13 #

    JC… Your list of lies grows with every post you make.
    Marcus Curtis, the dinar pumper is now a “respected economics authority”? I guess in Dinar Land he might be.
    I just found an interview with this guy on YouTube and listened to a little of what that idiot had to say. He claimed Iraq was in Chapter seven… and he thinks its Chapter seven bankruptcy. The respected economics authority doesn’t even know the difference between Chapter 7 bankruptcy and the UN placing a country under Chapter 7 which labels them as a threat to peace. What a buffoon.
    He claims Kuwait and Germany RVd… that’s a lie. Neither did.
    Ask Mark Deweaver, the author of the article we are posting under, if he has ever heard of Marcus Curtis.

  25. Stew 3rd January 2011 at 21:27 #

    LOL... JC... you're a trip man. This is Marcus Curtis. He's a musician.
    He provided this link on the dinar blog.
    http://www.myspace.com/marcuscurtis

    Is it possible for you to make one post without a lie in it?

  26. mark 3rd January 2011 at 21:46 #

    JC, that's an interesting perspective from that Marcus Curtis guy. I definitely agree that we should not listen to rumors like he says and instead base things on fact. I'm definitely not a mathematician but it would be great if they really can back up an RV with the oil reserves and they are removing the large bills from circulation. Seems like the dealers never have a problem getting them to the buyers though. And if those major countries really do hold dinar then that's a good argument in favor of investors seeing a profit. I wish there was a way to know that for sure. Thanx for that info and maybe we'll see it gain some ground this year. My bank account would like that!

    Stew, your logic is hard to beat. I've held onto this stuff for a long time so my attitude is a little hard logic mixed with some wishful reasoning. I've gambled in a number of stocks and other ventures and am hoping that as an investor I can eke out some sort of profit in this. $3 million would be nice but I don't think i need to tell you that probably won't happen. lol. I don't think anything's written in stone yet, but we'll see. If you ever have any investment advice I'm all ears. Looks like you do your homework.

  27. JC 3rd January 2011 at 22:08 #

    Dr Shabibi, the head of the CBI is on record as saying, NO LOP! His very words, the deleting of the 3 zeros are the complete recall of the 25,000 down to the 1,000 note, plain and simple. A $1,000 US note is STILL legal tender, yet only the banks still have them, along with a handful of collectors. They didn't suddenly make them no good. You turned in a 1,000 bill, and you were given 10 $100 bills and the value stayed the same.

    I'm heading out on a business trip for the next 10-12 days. I'm going to finalize a few additions to my empire, but I'll be checking in from time to time. Again, I tell all of you to do your own independent research. Don't let Chicken Little discourage you from researching and coming to your own conclusions on this investment. When the RV does happen, no matter the rate, .10 - $3.86, I'll be here and Chicken Little will not stand up and face the music of those who foolishly listened to his scam advise. By the way, if this is a scam, then our own federal government is the author of this scam. Foreign currency is NOT a scam. The author of the piece attached to thesed threads did not call it a scam. He did question if the oil Iraq has was really the lynchpin to the RV train.

  28. JC 4th January 2011 at 11:17 #

    Here is a fantastic post about how fractional banking works, and how an RV will happen when Dr. Shabibi allows it to.

    How Fractional Banking Economics will allow a high RV
    EXPLAINED:

    First off, I’ll use the exchange of a 10,000 IQD note as my example. To help explain the economics of this cash-in example, I will use a 1:1 cash-in ratio between the USD and IQD, that is given a two-tier payout, and a 2% bank spread.

    What You Will Receive:
    If you were to cash in your 10,000 IQD note with a bank that charges you a 2% spread, you would personally receive a net take-home of $9,800 credited to your bank account.

    What Your Bank Will Receive:
    Your Bank will receive a $10,000 credit to its Federal Reserve Account. They will also be able to add the $200 profit to their “capital account”.

    If you don’t understand the “Fractional Banking“ concept that runs our country, you may want to, as that is what this is based on, and is what is behind this entire concept and plan. To learn more about this concept, I suggest you click HERE, and go to a video post I brought to the forum previously, and posted in my “Tidbits“ section.

    Ultimately, the bank wins because they are able to gain $2,000 in lending power under the 10% “Fractional Banking“ model.

    What the US Treasury Will Receive:
    First off, the US Treasury will receive $3,500 in estimated taxes in the quarter after the exchange, because you are now in the “rich” category and get to enjoy the 35% tax bracket. This lowers the “net cost” of the IQD exchange to the US financial system to $6,500 USD (i.e. $10,000 out – $3,500 in). Furthermore, the US Treasury’s rate is higher than the banking rate (we will use in this example 1.25), thereby further reducing their “net cost” from $6,500 to $4,000.

    Oil Now Enters the Picture:

    At some point, a Fed-appointed agent orders $12,500 worth of oil from Iraq. Payment will consist of a $12,500 transfer from the Fed’s foreign currency reserve IQD account to the IRAQ Oil payment account at the CBI in a form otherwise known as PetroDollars/PetroDinar. Even though the world spot price of oil is defined in terms of USD, the actual transaction may take place in any internationally recognized currency agreed to by the parties. For example, Iran only accepts Yen from Japan for their oil orders, because they don’t want USD in their foreign currency reserves.

    How the CBI “RECAPTURES” the Money:
    The $12,500 order is filled with 250 barrels of oil based on the spot price on the date of the sale (for this example we used a $50 USD spot price). What does it cost Iraq to produce the oil to fill this order? Well they have negotiated productions agreements for approximately $1.50 USD/barrel. From that price $.50 USD goes to the national Iraqi oil company who is the partner in the field the oil came from. Out of the remaining $1.00 the other oil field partners have to pay the Iraq government a profit tax of $.35 USD (35%). The net cost to Iraq to produce a barrel of oil used in this scenario is $.65 USD. (i.e. $1.50 – .50 – .35)

    What does all that mean? It cost Iraq $162.50 to bring back a 10,000 IQD note! Can they afford that? I think so! So, instead of paying out $12,500 for a 10,000 IQD note, they only pay $162.50! That doesn’t add to the money supply much at all does it! They receive their IQD back and place it in the CBI, or destroy it.

    The transaction is completed with the Federal Reserve exchanging foreign reserve credits which are equal to $12,500 USD (which had a net acquisition cost of $4,000 USD for the US) for 250 barrels of oil (which has a TOTAL COST to produce of $162.50 USD for Iraq.

    More completely explained, and simply put, it cost Iraq $162.50 USD from their foreign currency reserve accounts to redeem the value of 10,000 IQD, which goes into their operating accounts. At the same time the US got $12,500 worth of oil for a net cost of $4,000. That’s how it was originally planned for Iraq to RV at 1 IQD = 1 USD, with the variable being the political element (i.e. UN Sanctions, GOI actions, IMF actions, World Bank actions etc.)

    Other Factors that Strengthen Iraq’s Position and Ability to RV:

    ■DFI Funds Returned & Other Assets: $280+ Billion USD, plus other frozen assets (estimated at $100 billion) will be returned back to Iraq and added to their foreign currency reserve, bringing it up to $430+ billion USD.
    ■CBI IQD Reserve Requirement Adjustment: The CBI will change the current fractional IQD reserve requirements from 100% to 15% at the appropriate time. As a result, the the total potential money supply will be raised in value to $2.8 Trillion (430 billion/15), while at the same time, the total physical IQD in circulation will be reduced by removing the large bills with the 3 zeros over a period of 2 years, as they have indicated.
    ■Oil Production Increased: Iraq will also execute the plan they announced to increase oil production from 2+ million barrels/day to 10 million barrels/day with the resulting revenues flowing directly to the Iraq treasury.
    ■Oil Futures & Forex Contracts Added: To further stir the pot, the CBI will continue to use it’s sales window to market oil futures and forex contracts. They have shown they can generate significant cash flow in the private market. Think of their impact in public markets.
    There, my friends, is how this plan will be enacted and made possible. Taking NOTHING, and turning it into SOMETHING, then bringing it back to a “manageable and reasonable something” that is accepted and supported by seeming endless supplies of oil. This is how the world’s ENTIRE NEW MONETARY SYSTEM will be regenerated and supported and backed, given, in essence, a re-birth and renewed for most governments and economic regions… even by “Black Gold”.

  29. DinarKing 4th January 2011 at 11:23 #

    STEW, really! you sound like someone hired by the government to push people away from this amazing opportunity!
    go to DINATRADE.com there on the front page you will see the following: US Citizens to invest in the New Iraq . Under this Order and the Coalition Provisional Government Order 39, a US citizen has the same rights to investments as an Iraqi citizen.
    President Bush and his administration MADE THIS A RIGHT FOR US CITIZENS TO BUT IRAQI DINAR!!
    how could it be a scam. i bought my dinars from CHASE BANK IN 2007, if this is a scam i will be suing the bank for participating in this scam!!!!
    i personally do not care what you do, who you are, what you believe.
    YOU ARE A LOSER AND SOMEONE WHO HAS AN ALTERIOR MOTIVE!

  30. Stew 4th January 2011 at 12:01 #

    More gobbledygook written by a dinar pumper. Dinar Daddy wrote that nonsense.
    It’s truly childlike in its reasoning. Sad... really sad that people fall for this crap.

  31. James 4th January 2011 at 12:07 #

    Stew what did DD write i know this guy and he and the rest of them forum owners really dont know crap and really neither do we

  32. JC 4th January 2011 at 12:16 #

    Stew,
    What is REALLY sad, is that you continue to run around clicking like the little hen you are, screaming "scam scam scam", and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you, a pumper. I could only be a pumper if I were either selling, or affiliated with a Dinar dealer, neither of which are true. I could run around calling you an Aids infested homosexual, and it would probably hold as much truth as your claims to me and others being pumpers.

    As for the article I posted being gobbledygook, here are the links provided.

    Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

    Murray Rothbard Dean of the Austrian school of economics: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/frb.html

    As you can see, neither link are associated with, and in the case of the deceased Dr. Rothbard, have even heard of the Iraqi Dinar investment opportunity.

    But of course, in YOUR twisted, need to be committed to a mental institution head, they are still all pumpers, right Chicken Little?

  33. JC 4th January 2011 at 12:20 #

    james, Dinar Daddy is simply a forum to provide the latest news from Iraq, and information about the Dinar.

    One one forum site, I personally know, and do business with 2 of the owners, and have no ties, payments from, or alliances to, any Dinar dealer. All DD did was copy from the link I provided above from Wikipedia and another link from Dr. Rothbard. It's a simple explanation about how fractional banking works.

  34. James 4th January 2011 at 12:26 #

    Yeah JC i know Roger and what site do you know the owners cause im a admin at one of them

  35. Stew 4th January 2011 at 12:31 #

    Dinar Daddy's site is about 10% real news. The rest is fantasy made up by dinar pumpers.

  36. JetRob 4th January 2011 at 18:13 #

    Question for those who know: Currently, Iraq is an observer of the WTO and applied for membership back in 2004. I think they are close to becoming members but the last discussion seems to have been held in 2008. Do you know if Iraq has to be a member of the WTO before the value of the IQD will appreciate or will the announcement of an RV improve their chances of becoming members? Just curious, because if they need to be members of the WTO then the RV is not imminent as Dinar Daddy and others would have us to believe. BTW, I called Dinar Trade to ask this question and was rudely told they do not answer technical questions. I told them this was a policy question that a currency dealer should know and was rudely told to either put in a order or get off the phone. Geez!

  37. Eric 4th January 2011 at 19:59 #

    Wow guys its simple look at all the wars ww1 what happened to the money toliet paper then after years went up.WW2 same thing koren war vietnam same thing hell even showed it on mash remeber mash with charles cashing out come on guys do your research.Im no pumper as i am heavly invested and all I need is my retirement money because thanks social security I have to work till I am 70!!Wow with all the dead beats scaming the system I hope for the US sake this pans out cause I will have to reopen those Poor Houses and food lines.I dont know how are country will survive as people are loosing jobs and homes they have worked hard for years.This is the only country I know were if you dodge the draft (even little rich boys who went to college)were you can come back and be elected into public office but dont be a felon or you cant vote funny as hell I say.well folks I will stop rambling so god bless Eric

  38. JC 5th January 2011 at 00:52 #

    Hi James,

    I'm involved with a few sites, DV, DD and PD. I know DA who is co-owner with SI at PD.

    Sorry for the covert nature, but I don't want chicken little running around raising hell at these sites. If you are a moderator at qa site, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

  39. mark 5th January 2011 at 07:57 #

    JC, I'm on DV myself. I've seen all viewpoints expressed on there and they post some pretty good news articles. Try to stay away from the rumor section though. lol.

  40. emmett 5th January 2011 at 08:12 #

    THE IRAQ STOCK MARKET IS EXPLODING.... IT'S ON A BULL RUN...PEOPLE WAKE UP... IT IS UP OVER 15% FROM NOV 2010... GOOOOOOOOO ISX!!!!

  41. Andy Skal 5th January 2011 at 09:22 #

    how do I get to DV?

  42. Stew 5th January 2011 at 09:56 #

    Doesn't surprise my one single bit the JC is "involved" with the scammers.

  43. Stew 5th January 2011 at 09:58 #

    Andy... you have to stroke Adam Montana's ego to get on DV.

  44. James 5th January 2011 at 10:11 #

    Stew LMAO aint that the truth

  45. Stew 5th January 2011 at 10:28 #

    I missed this during the holidays. Sounds like the lop is coming soon. Just need Parliment to approve a few things.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.baghdad-news.com/home.asp%3Fmode%3Dmore%26NewsID%3D26374%26catID%3D2&prev=_t

  46. mark 5th January 2011 at 11:43 #

    Yeah Stew, it looks like they're saying the 3 zeros are going to be removed from the currency and they're just gonna print a whole new currency. Seems like articles like this would definitely dampen speculation of turning a $1,000 investment into $3 million.

  47. Stew 5th January 2011 at 12:13 #

    Yep Mark... it's as simple as this, from the article.

    "There is no doubt that the process of deletion of zeros and replace the existing currency in Iraq would aim to reduce the money supply."

    This has been the known outcome ever since it was discovered that Iraq's money supply had grown into the Trillions.
    Any talk of returning to the old rate was dependent on them also returning to the same approx money supply.
    A redenomination... also known as a lop.

  48. JC 5th January 2011 at 12:16 #

    There goes chicken little, and his insane LOP bull! The ONLY reason a country LOPS the currency is for HYPRE inflation, which is NOT an issue in Iraq, and their under 4% inflation rate as of today.

    Why in the world do you continue to press this LOP nonsense? You have not presented a SINGLE link to back up your theory, yet I've presented numerous links showing why it will NOT LOP.

    I'm a member of several sites, but do NOT follow Adam Montana, as he is pushing trying to hide your income in off shore accounts, and I don't subscribe to that notion.

    Just found another article that supports my position, and the position of most economists who really understand inflation, that there will be no LOP.

    https://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2010/08/24/zeros-will-not-be-removed-from-iraqi-currency/

    How hard is it for you to understand the removal of the zeros simply means taking the large bills out of circulation? Have you ever seen a $1,000 or $500 bill? How about the $100,000 bill? The federal reserve removed those bills from circulation, (Removing the 3 zeros) yet they are STILL legal tender. If you were to walk into a bank today and hand them a $1,000 bill, they didn't LOP the 3 zeros and then give you a $30 credit, which is the absurd notion you keep pushing on this entire LOP nonsense. They hand you 10 $100 bills and you have the same value.

  49. peter 5th January 2011 at 12:23 #

    Hi Mark...You may have called this one right bro !!..HOLY SMOKES !!..The ISX is ON FIRE..Well I think we got the volume we needed..
    Do you have any comments..Do we have a confirmed bull yet ?
    Thank you for helping me see the light 🙂

  50. JC 5th January 2011 at 12:25 #

    I guess you missed this part from that opinion piece.

    The process of deletion of zeros and the replacement of the currency would be too costly to the economy and society (was visible and not visible) and from the cost study process and cost consultancy and cost printing and cost replacement and the accompanying processes of corruption and large-scale, in addition to the cost of lawsuits and damages ... جنباً الى جنب مع كلف دعم الاقتصاد اثناء وبعد عملية الاستبدال. Along with the cost to support the economy during and after the replacement process.

    Ahmed sounds more like he's against any LOP. Do you have any clue how expensive it is to try and print new currency? Let's say they do print new currency, it's not like they will say on June 1st, your old Dinar is not any good. The old saddam Dinars had a grace period, as is required by their laws, to transition from one to the other. That is exactly the same as what would happen, in the HIGHLY unlikely event that they do issue brand new currency.

    The creators of this plan, our own GW Bush, knew years ago, that this was going to come down the pipeline. There would be absolutely no reason to print any notes smaller than the 1,000 note if they were not planning to RV their currency, to bring value to their 50 and smaller notes.