History’s lesson for the dinar

I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.

While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.

But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?

Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)

The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.

History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.

600 Responses to History’s lesson for the dinar

  1. JC 9th January 2011 at 13:03 #

    Hey Stew, news flash. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE NEW CURRENCY PRINTED FROM DE LA RU, AND IT'S BEEN PRINTED SINCE 2003. The 1,5, 10 and 25 dinar notes ARE the new currency you read about. There was NO need to release them yet, as they are WORTHLESS under the current rate. As the CBI continues to remove large bills from circulation, they are NOT in the general circulation. Estimates from those in country estimate that as much as 85% of the large bills are already pulled back in, or are in central banks with other countries, and will be used to purchase oil. Once the RV does happen, then the small bills are released, the large bills are destroyed, and the money supply is greatly reduced, EXACTLY like our own government has done over the past 60 years.

    Now, I know you are going to dismiss this as pumper propaganda, but my 2 contacts, one of whom is in direct affiliation with the CBI, has said that EXACT scenario. That is why the rumor of the 100,000 note was so quickly debunked. Obviously no reason to release a note that is only going to be recalled. And, this also shoots the Lopsters down, because they already HAVE the small bills.

    If the grand plan wasn't to Rv upward, there would NEVER have been a need for the small bills. As it stands now, a 25,000 Dinar note is worth $30. A 25 Dinar note is worth more as toilet paper than for any functional value under the current rate.

  2. peter 9th January 2011 at 13:16 #

    JC,
    Thank you for that accurate explanation.That is what I'm seeing as well.
    Got Dinars ??..

  3. JC 9th January 2011 at 13:34 #

    Yes, I'm invested. 127 million reasons for this to happen.

  4. Rabibi 9th January 2011 at 13:45 #

    I'm interested in what everyone has to say about the recent link that "GR" provided above concerning the currency value number to be used for economic feasibility studies. Your thoughts JC, Stew, Mark...etc?

  5. Stew 9th January 2011 at 15:48 #

    JC… I thought you were done with the pumper lies on this site… guess not.

    There has never been any proof of any smaller denominations existing… pumper lie.
    Even if the small demons do exist, they need them for the redenomination they say they will do just as they would need them for the mythical RV you pump.
    The estimates you speak of are estimates from PUMPERS. The CBI, the IMF, and many of the delete 3 zero articles specifically state that Iraq currently has 27 Trillion dinar in circulation.
    Your claim that when the small bills are released the large bills will be destroyed and that will reduce money supply is just pure ignorance. If I take a 10,000 dinar note in and they give me 10,000 dinar in smaller bills for it and they destroy the big bill. That doesn’t reduce the money supply by one single dinar.

  6. Stew 9th January 2011 at 15:52 #

    Rabibi... that article is about 4 years old.
    No one knows the specifics of it and it very well could have been a study about the redenomination/lop.
    They don’t mention the money supply so you have no way of knowing.

  7. LZ 9th January 2011 at 16:04 #

    Stew and JC,
    Why is Iraq still doing auctions if they are removing large bills? Seems if they wanted to ''gather up and destroy large bills''. why keep auctioning them? No auctions would be the move. Keep destroying the large bills and replace with a reduced percentage of smaller demons to banks, thus reducing the supply of excess large notes, and reducing the money supply.
    Maybe this is the plan in Dinarland or a perfect world. Just my 2 cents

  8. Stew 9th January 2011 at 17:56 #

    LZ
    About the auctions. Iraq is not selling dinar at the auctions, they are buying dinar and paying dollars for those dinar.
    The Central Bank runs these auctions. This is a service they provide. Banks come in can either buy or sell dinar and the CBI covers what ever the bank wants. The banks dictate the action, not the CBI. It’s been a long time since any bank wanted to buy dinar from the CBI, it’s almost always that the banks want Dollars, so they sell dinar back to the CBI for dollars. This works well for Iraq because they get dollars for oil sales, but they need dinar to spend on Gov salaries and budget spending. So the Gov spends dinar, and the CBI buys back dinar from banks at the auctions, so that keeps the money supply from growing too fast. The dinar kinda travels in a circle. From the Gov, out to the people/businesses, then to the banks, then back to the CBI/GOV, and so on over and over. The other thing to remember is the auctions are mostly electronic monies. Banks aren’t showing up with massive stacks of dinars to sell back. Some is cash, but most is electronic.

    Now… if the pumpers are right… and the big RV is about to happen any day. All the articles are about a big RV and everyone knows about it. If the pumpers are right about that… then why in the heck are banks coming in every day selling billions of dinars back to the CBI at 1170:1?

  9. Rabibi 9th January 2011 at 18:50 #

    Stew,

    Even if the article is old it is the first time I've seen any speculative number put out by any ministry of Iraq concerning the dinar. I find the article to be interesting and I'm curious to know whether the number that is published in the article is the number that is being used for contract negotiations and economic planning. If they are in fact using that number then it would seem reasonable to assume that any LOP/RV would be somewhat close to the feasibility number that has been used in such studies/negotiations/contracts. Your thoughts?

  10. Stew 9th January 2011 at 20:04 #

    I think that’s the problem with the article. Nobody knows what it means. They don’t explain how they came up with the number. They have never had any kind of follow up to the article. They don’t explain RV or Redenomination. I contend that with the current money supply, it’s obviously not a RV and that it must be a redenomination if they want a rate anywhere close to that.

  11. JC 10th January 2011 at 08:02 #

    The thing that kills me Stew, is when an article IS published supporting an RV/ RI, you simply dismiss it with a wave of your hand. Point blank, did your hero who wrote this article dismiss an RV? NO! He DID write that his OPINION was that having the most oil in the world didn't guarantee their success.

    Stewart, I OWN small Dinar notes down to the 50 Dinar, and as a Gulf War vet, I know for a fact, the smaller notes down to the 1 Dinar does exist. Since the 27 trillion as shown by the CBI does NOT specifically break down the dinars by notes, and also doesn't specify Dinar held at CBI's vaults vs Dinar outside their walls, you have no idea what they are holding to destroy, so YOU are also speculating on that.

    The supply of Dinar at the dealer level IS drying up. Both the sell and buy back rates have slowly risen. What used to take my broker 24-48 hours to fill, now takes 7-10 days. I am hearing similar time frames from all of the other major dealers as well.

  12. Stew 10th January 2011 at 08:25 #

    More lies... The CBI reports currency in circulation, m1, and m2 numbers. Those numbers do not include any non-issued currency that they may have at the CBI. They clearly state that in a link I provided for you earlier, but you continue to spread lies.

    Did you get those multiple degrees in economics and finance, and amass your multi millionaire fortune before or after you were in the gulf war?

  13. Rabibi 10th January 2011 at 09:01 #

    Gentlemen,

    Please dispense with the straw man arguements and trash talk. The reason I read the Iraqi Business news is to avoid such rhetoric that is so prevelant on every other internet forum concerning the dinar. I appreciate the pro-con analysis that both Stew and JC provide.

    Respectfully,
    Rabibi

  14. JC 10th January 2011 at 09:27 #

    For Chicago hedge fund, Iraq is a different type of risk
    Nov 19, 2010 17:42 EST

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    Chicago hedge fund manager Kenneth Kuhn’s family thought he was crazy when he said he wanted to launch a new hedge fund focused on Iraq, but the one-time exotic currency trader said he believes the country can deliver outsized returns to investors.

    Kuhn, who stopped by Reuters offices this week, says his years of trading the Iraqi dinar from his Chicago office, inspired him to start a fund that would provide better access to Iraq’s financial markets.

    “There really wasn’t any good market access to Iraq. It’s really pristine ground for capitalism,” Kuhn said. Kuhn and his colleague Abraham Merchant recently launched The Iraq Fund and have already raised $5 million to invest in the one-time cradle of civilzation. Kuhn says he aims to raise an additional $5 million, and is joining the ranks of a few other Iraq-focused funds that are trying to make investments in the country, like Godvig’s Babylon Fund, FMG’s Iraq special opportunity fund, and MerchantBridge’s Iraq-focused Mesopotamia Fund.

    Security incidents have dropped precipitously this year in Iraq and there is a new government, so we asked Kuhn, where does a fledgling investor start in Iraq?

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    - Oil and oil services are the most obvious answer, Kuhn said. Some analysts believe that, based on the quality of its oil reserves, with proper investment Iraq could grow to be the second biggest oil producer in the world in the next decade.
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    - Kuhn says he also sees opportunities in the agricultural industry, which is recovering after the oil-for-food scandal decimated the sector.
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    - And the tourism industry, which could benefit from several Muslim pilgrimage sites located in the country.

    Kuhn’s Iraq fund is necessarily small as the market capitalization of the entire Iraqi stock market is only about $3 billion, he said. But his firm has already selected about 44 of the 93 stocks on the Iraq Stock Exchange, which trade anywhere from a fraction of a penny to 19 cents per share.

    And despite the risks, Kuhn says the financial crisis has made everything seem risky, so investors who want to bet on the country’s recovery and take a long term view could see strong returns. “People have recognized that there is risk everywhere and rather than becoming avoidant, there are people who want the benefit of that risk,” Kuhn said. “Iraqis have spent thelast seven years building a foundation from which to grow.”

  15. JC 10th January 2011 at 09:35 #

    That makes more than a dozen hedge fund groups directly investing in Iraq. Most of these groups also hold a substantial amount of Dinar.

    Stew, I earned my wealth, and have been a millionaire since I was 17. I've been working since I was 7, and have owned and sold over a dozen companies. I was wealthy before the gulf war. I am much wealthier now. The bottom line is, I don't invest in losers. When the stock market crashed 2 years ago, I had already sold most of my stocks and converted to precious metals.

    There are many things the common person such as yourself are not privy to. Keep doing your research, keep watching the world pass you by, and when we cash this bad boy in, I'll be laughing at you, all the way to the bank.

    I have pretty much ran my course with you. You are a lost cause, and I feel truly sorry for you, and anyone who listens to your misguided advise.

  16. yippee101 10th January 2011 at 12:25 #

    Hey JC...very interesting posts and I am starting to get more excited as the days go by. I am in as are most members of my family and numerous friends. A few are too scared to lose a couple hundred bucks and I have simply told them to not cry to me when it hits and they were left out(of course I will help out some but this is my nest egg for my retirement)I do not have lot of money but did invest what I was willing to lose and know that even if it takes another year or two that I am not going to starve while waiting.
    Anyway...I wanted to write just to say not to let people blinded by fear and ignorance like Stew to get to you. You have helped a lot of people get a better grasp on a situation that has taken a long time to get to where it is and it may still take longer. But we thank you for keeping it real.
    Ray

  17. JC 10th January 2011 at 14:48 #

    No worries Ray. I am completely sold on this investment, and won't let the Debbie Downers of this world get me down. Happy RV to us all.

    JC

  18. Stew 10th January 2011 at 15:17 #

    Yes… Iraq is a wonderful country. They have been announcing to the world for 4 years now that they plan on increasing the value of their currency 100,000%... allowing any Joe Blow in the world who can scrape up $1k to instantly realize the dream of being a millionaire. How nice of them to do that for all the infidels.

  19. LZ 10th January 2011 at 16:01 #

    JC,
    I read all the forums and i must say some if not most of the posters are stone cold liars or pumpers. Medic, Mailman, Okie oil man for instance, all have given dates and all have claimed ''it is done'', ''we can start cashing out in 7-10 days. All are wrong. The posts and chats that go on about '' My good friend xxxxxxx is a fatcat in Iraq says its done''drive me crazy. ''God will give us this blessing'' is more nonsense. Do you believe them ?

  20. Stew 10th January 2011 at 16:34 #

    LZ... are you kidding? Does he believe them?
    He is one of them. Practically every claim he has brought to this board is out right lies and fantasy made up by the Pumpers. He has admitted that he knows and works with some of these site owners.
    A dinar pumper is amongst us... his name... JC

  21. JC 10th January 2011 at 16:45 #

    Stew,
    As I have said, I am not affiliated with any Dinar site that sells Dinar. I'm not paid a dime, and that's a fact. I get no kick backs, and personally don't care who buys Dinar. And, as I said before, I am done debating you, because quite frankly, you bore the hell out of me.

  22. LZ 10th January 2011 at 17:31 #

    JC.
    Please answer my question....do you believe ANY of them?

  23. Stew 10th January 2011 at 17:49 #

    JC... If you’re not a pumper then you don’t have one original thought in your brain, because every point you have made about the dinar on this board was made up by pumpers.
    Pumper or Parrot… one or the other.

  24. yippee101 10th January 2011 at 18:40 #

    LZ...I can't speak for JC but I believe that this RV will happen. I, also, Have read every post in numerous forums and I do see a lot of, it has happened or is happening tomorrow type stuff...are they pumpers or simply over excited? I don't know. What I do know is that it makes sense for the dinar to go up as the economy strengthens and that is happening a little more every day now that a real government is in place and investors and governments are starting to pour money into Iraq to build a sovereign nation. Will it RV overnight or take more months and simply build slowly? I don't know but it can only go up and I am willing to put in a little for the potential of a lot...I may even lose it but it's got more of a chance than the lotteries that some spend hundreds on a month. My two cents. I guess I can say that I believe it will happen...I am just not sure of when or how much...it has to be more that a tenth of a penny though:)

  25. yippee101 10th January 2011 at 18:42 #

    Stew...ummm...why are you here? Oh right...my mother taught me that one..."Misery loves Company!" Well I truly hope you don't find anyone to jump into your world of hurt when you realize that we were right all along.

  26. JC 10th January 2011 at 19:18 #

    To answer LZ's question, I take what I hear from them with a grain of salt. There are some guys out there blowing smoke to try and drive Dinar sales. I know who those guys are, and I stay away from them.

    I also know that this is a fledgling democracy. After 30+ years of tyrannical rule, they are starting from where our country was 234+ years ago. I know for a fact, nothing can happen until the government is 100% formed, seated and announced.

    Iraq wants to be back on the world scene, but with a Dinar value of 1,170, the trade discrepancy would be HUGE. The IMF will not allow the Dinar to trade on the open market at such a low rate. Stew conveniently forgets one major item in his argument in the RV. He says Iraq can't afford it because of the 27 trillion Dinar that's been printed. Sure, if it RV's at $1 for $1, then they will pay out a huge chunk of money, but 90% of it is in oil credits and not physical currency. Where Stews argument is flawed is as much as Iraq would have to pay out, that same value is brought back in, in the form of new construction contracts, tourism and additional commodities sales. Forget about the oil. We all know they have the most oil in the planet. Oil company studies have just begun to scratch the surface of the true amount of oil they have.

    They have almost completely untapped amounts of natural gas. They have a huge amount of gold. They have some of the most sought after religious sites in the world, and they have a HUGE agricultural capability. All of these, and more, add up to a HUGE amount of capital available for the RV and more.

    If I was a pumper, I would be on here promoting a specific site, and giving a rate / date. I know the steps that need to be completed before we will see an RV. It could be 1 day, it could be another month or year. In my opinion, it's not that far off. I read several Iraqi news sites on a daily basis, and I see the tremendous progress the are making over there.

  27. peter 10th January 2011 at 19:58 #

    Hi JC, great explanation bro..All I know is the ISX had almost 20 TIMES it's average volume TODAY!!.This thing is exploding..So some people want in on the biggest story of own lifetime..
    As for me I'm plowing another 150 mil IQD's in to those funky little companies this week..yehaa...
    Oh..BTW today speculators bought 15 mil.USD of Bagdad Soft Drink...I was part of them thank you...
    Appreciate your tenacity bro!!

  28. Stew 10th January 2011 at 22:26 #

    90% of the 27 Trillion is in oil credits??? That's pure nonsense.
    JC... Your streak of a lie in every post is alive and well. Keep up the good work.

  29. JC 10th January 2011 at 22:40 #

    Stew,

    If you even had an inkling of what the US is doing with their dinar, and how badly you have been fooled by the game plan, you'd crap a horse!

    Let me guess. You don't believe in "Black Ops" either , right? YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS DOING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. However, you are a nobody in the big game, not even important enough to carry the dirty jock straps, per say.

    Ok, let me clarify what I said. Of all the dinar being held by foreign countries, approximately 90% of it will be used to purchase Iraq's oil at a tremendous discount. I know this, the Halliburton boys know this, GW knows this. Hell, even Obama, as stupid as he is, knows this. The world runs on oil and they have a crapper full of it. GW disposed of the tyrant Saddam, and we are now entrenched into it so deep, Maliki has to pull down his pants to cough. This whole master plan was put into motion right after 9-11. Do you know what the US is going to do with all that oil they buy from Iraq? Strategic petroleum reserve. Our military will operate at a reduced cost, because of that cheap oil. Abrams tanks, F-22 Raptors and the rest of the military machinery still runs on oil, diesel and jet fuel.

    So what if they make a few infidels rich? Maliki, Shabibi, Allawi and the rest of the mod squad will be rolling in it up past their ears. It's always been about the oil.

  30. Stew 11th January 2011 at 09:57 #

    More dinar fantasy from JC. So Iraq… who is totally dependent on the dollars that they receive for oil sales, it’s 90% of their revenues… they are going to except dinars for that oil, RVd 1:1 dinar that they only received .0008 or less for.
    That is brilliant. That would mean that Iraq has already sold all the oil in the ground for .0008 on the dollar. They would have no oil revenues for the next 30 or 40 years.
    Pumper or Parrot... both are dangerous to your bank account.

  31. Stew 11th January 2011 at 10:22 #

    To show how foolish JC and the pumpers theory is… here’s a little math behind his claims.
    Iraq produces 2.5 billion barrels a day. At $100 dollars a barrel that’s $91 Billion a year they receive for their oil.
    Now JC and the scammers claim that the US holds 5 Trillion dinar, and that many other countries hold into the trillions also. But let’s just use the 5 trillion held by the US. The 5 trillion dinar the US has could purchase every single drop of Iraqi oil for the next 55 years. LOL… unreal. That’s just what the scammers claim the US has. They seem to claim other countries hold at least another 5 trillion dinar. That would mean that Iraq has presold over 100 years of oil for .0008 on the dollar.
    Genius.

  32. Rabibi 11th January 2011 at 10:28 #

    Stew,

    When the Dinar opens up on the Forex for regular trade wouldn't that help capitalize the CBI much like an IPO would here in the U.S.?

  33. Stew 11th January 2011 at 10:54 #

    Rabbi... it's not going to go one the forex. That's more pumper lies.

    Iraq has stated they want to create a "forward market" for the diinar.
    http://www.dinarbanker.com/2010-iraqi-dinar-news/aim-is-to-establish-a-forward-market-in-iraqi-dinars-in-the-near-future.html

    A forward market specifically means that it's not the already established Forex market.

    If they wanted to put the dinar on the Forex, which they don’t, but if they wanted to, they could put it on at the rate it is now. The IMF has stated that Iraq exchange rate is pretty much in line with fundamentals as it is now.
    If they listed it at 1:1 on the forex… it would only take a matter of seconds for the rate to drop to .001.
    Why would anyone buy dinar at a rate of 1:1? I just showed you where Iraq already has in circulation 27 Trillion dinar, and just 10 trillion dinar valued at 1:1 would purchase all of Iraqs oil for the next 100 years.

  34. Stew 11th January 2011 at 10:56 #

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2010/cr1072.pdf

    32. The lack of data and large structural changes in the Iraqi economy preclude any meaningful estimation of the equilibrium real exchange rate. A very crude assessment suggests that the dinar is broadly in line with fundamentals.

  35. Rabibi 11th January 2011 at 11:21 #

    Stew,

    Why do you insist on this dichotomy of truth vs lies. Two economic analyists can have different forecasts and it does not mean that one of them is lying...this is why it is called "forecast." It would be fair to say that the GOI is in its infancy and that the future of what happens to the dinar is uncertain. It is also fair to say that the positive development in the country points toward a dinar that will go up in value overtime if the GOI can function as adverstised. I appreciate your input on this forum.

  36. peter 11th January 2011 at 11:37 #

    Rabibi,
    Let me answer that for Stew..
    Because " He has a very negative mental attitude " and his prostate trouble hasn't allowed him to have sex in years ".
    Now..If Stew would just stop bashing everyone and trying to control this wonderful forum I would love to contribute something more positive..
    Stew..We've heard enough now..Please go away and rain on someone else' day..
    I heard there talk's about a Dong revalue soon..hint..
    Now those guys over there really need a bashing, lol...hahaaahha..

  37. Stew 11th January 2011 at 11:39 #

    Yes… two analysts can look at the same info and come to different conclusions. That’s why we’ve seen articles where one economist will say they should lop, and then another economist will say they shouldn’t lop.
    The problem is with the 3rd set of analyst, the pumpers, they are not looking at the same info. They are making up data and scenarios to fit their outcome… and those made up fantasies don’t even make sense as I’ve pointed out.
    Iraq has 27 Trillion dinar in circulation; they have a M2 number of 55 Trillion. That’s a massive amount of currency that can no way in heck be RVd to 1:1 or anything even remotely close. The IMF states it’s perfectly fine where it is. Those are facts. The pumpers have to come up with lies to get you to believe those numbers aren’t real, or make up fantasies about oil certificates.
    Remember… it is the pumpers who are telling you that the money supply numbers reported by the CBI and the IMF are lies.

  38. LZ 11th January 2011 at 13:50 #

    Stew,
    is it possible the GOI will take in and destroy ,say 30 trillion dinar and re value? That would definatly increase the value.

  39. Stew 11th January 2011 at 13:58 #

    LZ... that's exactly what the plan is. That's what the "delete 3 zero" talk is about. A new currency is issued. Lower denominations. For every 1000 you turn in you get 1 new dinar in return. The new dinar will be worth 85 cents. So that does exactly what your asking. It removes trillions and it RVs the currency.

    The lop removes 99.9% of the currency. There is no way possible for them to remove that much of the currennt currency except to lop/redenominate.

  40. LZ 11th January 2011 at 18:04 #

    So what your saying is that we are F&#ked? A big waste of time and money buying dinars. So the only winners are the dinar dealer creeps that sold us a dream and the pumpers that will undoubtedly be responsible for countless suicides, break ups , etc. I wish some undercover feds could nail Ali and all those gurus that pump BS to folks that really want to believe them. Frank 26 gets about 10,000 people on his conference calls each week.

  41. LZ 11th January 2011 at 18:11 #

    Stew,
    you posted a link to Dinar Banker? WTF is that? And why do the dealers care about if the dinar bill are mint or circulated when buying it back? Hmmm.....Its Money, not a baseball card!

  42. Stamp 12th January 2011 at 06:52 #

    So in a nutshell, Stew supports the LOP theory and JC believes in the straight-RV theory.

    I wish Maliki would whisper to me and tell me who's right! : )

  43. JC 12th January 2011 at 07:26 #

    It's not just the dealers selling the Dinar, it's very well known and respected banks, 5/3rd, Capital One, and many others, authorized by the US government to do so. It's a currency, and contrary to Stewarts opinion, and that's ALL it is, like mine, is opinion, it WILL go on Forex. As for the oil purchases with stored Dinar, that will be post RV usage, not pre.

    The CBI IS collecting the larger notes, and will destroy them upon RV. The new, lower denominational notes ARE real. I currently hold almost 100,000 in 50 Dinar notes. I've had them run through the machine to verify authenticity. Why would they print a note, that isn't worth anything, unless they were planning to RV their currency? It's ALWAYS been part of the master plan.

  44. LZ 12th January 2011 at 07:57 #

    JC,
    I have 2 questions for you. Please answer truthfully.
    How do you really know that the CBI is collecting larger notes. Frank 26 says they have collected something like 85% of the large notes. HOW AND WHERE IS THE PROOF?
    Ok #2....why does no one else have any 50 dinar notes? The new ones, not the oldies. where did you get them?
    If you can answer these questions, we might believe you are not a pumper.

  45. gr 12th January 2011 at 08:12 #

    Lots of civilian contractors here in Kuwait have some of the lower denoms. Can't get them anymore. But they have bought them previously.

  46. JC 12th January 2011 at 09:56 #

    LZ,
    I have ALWAYS answered truthfully, regardless of what Stew has to say.

    First, the collecting of the larger Dinars by the CBI was info given to me directly from an individual who sells Dinar, and was complaining to me that he's having a very hard time getting them from the CBI, especially now that they have closed off the borders to Iraq.

    As for the smaller denominations, I have bought them on E-Bay, from only sellers with 99% approval ratings or better. As soon as they come in, I have a friend who is a bank manager for large bank in Los Angeles, who has a De La Rue machine on site. All of my bills have been verified as authentic. You can still but the smaller notes on E-Bay, and this is an excellent way for those who don't have a large pile of money available to buy the larger bundles.

  47. Rabibi 12th January 2011 at 10:00 #

    JC,

    So what you're saying is that even if there is an LOP that you'll have your bases covered becasue you already own lower denominations. What is the going rate for $100 & $50 denominations?

  48. Stew 12th January 2011 at 10:19 #

    Don't buy the scam that the redenomination/lop will only effect the big notes and note the small notes. That's ridiculous. All current notes will be exchanged.
    Only a fool would be buying the 50's. The dealers charge more for the smaller notes.

    The CBI specifically states that any dinar that has been redeemed (bought back) is not part of the 27 Trillion number they report. So again JC and the pumpers are trying to convince you the CBI is lying.

    http://www.cbi.iq/documents/Key_Financial_Indicators_Documentation.pdf
    "currency in circulation is the new currency issued by the CBI less redemption of old and damaged new currency notes"

  49. Stew 12th January 2011 at 10:27 #

    JC… you are EXACTLY like the pumpers on the dinar boards.
    You claim to have contacts who have contacts with the CBI. You know a dealer who buys from the CBI. You know bank managers at large banks.
    You admitted to working with a couple dinar site owners.
    Your constant bragging about you investment successes and contacts in high places is as transparent as Britney Spears panties.

  50. LZ 12th January 2011 at 10:53 #

    JC,
    Again I must say, Where did you get your info from? I am so sick of the pumpers with their friend xxxxxxxxx who works for the CBI. What you wrote tells us NOTHING! My sisters boyfriend has a cousin in Iraq whose dentist says this thing is gonna explode soon. Thats the info you provided. Zero proof. In a court of law, your testimony would be rubbish. All these pumpers have nameless friends and dead links to their privyed info. I really wish you were telling us the truth JC, but your recent answer is insulting to people with a brain. Now.....How do you REALLY KNOW THAT THE CBI HAS COLLECTED 85% OF THE LARGE DENOMS? WHERE IS THE PROOF?