I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.
While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.
But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?
Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)
The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.
History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.



Hi guys, I've been reading all the posts but too busy lately to respond. There's really a big gap between Stew and JC's opinions and kind of hard to bridge that with all the rumors and poorly translated news articles. I'd like to know what's going to happen but I sure can't predict the future. Most all the articles I've seen say that they want to enhance the value of the currency which leaves a whole lot left to interpretation. Most of the pumpers talk about removing zeros from the exchange rate instead of the currency which none of the articles say is happening. It's gone up in value in the past so would be nice if they allow it to appreciate some more before they decide to lop or if they do lop to increase the value some more after that. The key question to me is are other countries or corporations invested that would be really annoyed if they did lop and they didn't make any money. If there are, then I can see the value being enhanced to where investors can actually make some profit. I'm still wondering how Iraq can lose if they do a lop then an RV of say 2 to 1. There currency value is on par with the US and Kuwait and they don't have to pay out a ton to foreign investors. But I'm all for a continual appreciation of value or an RV if they can afford it. It's hard for me to really make sense of all the numbers. Thanx for the input guys, and go ISX!!
Stew,
The info YOU provided is FIVE YEARS OLD! Go to the CBI site TODAY. Here is the link to the smaller notes, all the way down to the 25 Dinar coin. http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=Banknotes
Personally, I don't give a rats ass what any of you clowns believe. You are going to try and second guess me, when in reality, I am VERY secure in my investment. Go ahead, dilly dally around. You all can hold Stewarts dick, as that's the closest that fat ass will ever get to sex.
It seems most of you are pretty cool, but I'm not here to make friends. I'm a private investor, and am very happy with where I am today in my investment.
Stewart, don't be mad because your entire life revolves around this post. What's truly pathetic, is the man crush you have for Mr DeWeaver. He puts up a brand new article, and you were on his jock so fast, I'd swear you were gay!
LMAO.... You still did not show where the info comes from for the deletion of the 000's that they have 85%
There have been several articles in Iraq about the deletion of zeroes, etc, addressed by Shabibi and Mohammed Saleh. Please go to google translate and research. I have no desire to keep doing searches for people who rely on others and are too complacent to search for themselves. I have moderately purchased dinar. It will eventually go up in value. For many years, Iraq had to 'trade' oil for food. Oil was their form of currency. Now, they are allowed to 'sell' oil for USD. Basra region alone pumps 1.5 million bpd at the rate of $1 USD per barrel. Thus, their regions is making $1.5 million USD per day in oil sales. Sounds to me as if the economy will soon be recovering. They are producing and selling more oil now than their neighboring countries, who are filthy rich. As me how I know? I live here. I see it. I live it. I am an American citizen, but I live and work in the ME and see it daily. So, you're telling me that a country who had 'NO' resource to sell overnight is selling almost $3 million in USD in oil per day will remain broke and desolate? Do you ever wonder why Joe Biden just landed in Iraq a few hours ago? Why the Emir of Kuwait is in Iraq right now in a special called meeting to lift the final UN sanctions? Instead of playing and griping and relying on rumor boards, read the international news. Thanks to a handy-dandy tool such as google translate, anyone with a little common sense, such as a 12 year old, can not only find the Iraq news online, but they can translate it and use it. Since it is 430 a.m. here and only 730 p.m. east coast there, I say good night and God bless. Instead of relying on the opinions of others, do research and make up your own mind. You people act as if you need Stew and JC to 'guide' you. Are you not adults?
And for those too lazy to do your own research, just visit http://www.currencynewshound.com. He doesn't sell dinar. He just posts all daily news straight from Iraq pertaining to the Iraq government, economy and dinar. LMAO, just made it easy for you. Geesh... I'm too nice.
GR,
I agree with your post. Thanks for sharing. Reading Iraqi Business News is one of the resource I use to stay informed.
BTW, you keep referring to JC as a pumper? I'm trying to find a post where he has promoted a dealer website, as there are many. Who is he pumping for? I may want to visit their site. Thanks in advance.
GR,
To be honest, I have been dissappointed with the forum on this site. I was looking for a more intellectual conversation concerning Iraqi Investments. In my view, things have degenerated into name calling like every other Dinar forum. Such forums are a dime a dozen. I'm glad to hear your perspective.
Gr,
Thank you for providing what I refused to. Currency News Hound is an EXCELLENT source of news, from independent news sites.
And yes, I am NOT a pumper. These numbnuts get mad because I have money, because I have high level friends, and because I have intel they can't get. Watch out GR. Stew will claim that you are a pumper too. LMAO.
I thank you for whatever you are doing in the ME. It's NOT my first choice of destinations when I think "Vacation", let alone working there. Be safe.
I always say buy only what you can afford. It beats buying a pile of lotto tickets that have much greater odds of not winning, and you only get one shot at winning. The IQD has been a long-term investment for some. Others are just getting in and will not have as long to wait. But, read the information on the site I posted up above and stay away from forums and chats. That site posts only official news and press releases. No hype, no bull and no PUMPING as many elude to.
Thanks, Rabibi...
I can' see it more. Currency holders will want to turn their investment to the IRAQ STOCK MARKET... THEY ARE ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT... SOME BANKS ARE GIVING 14% INTEREST.
GR… Iraq didn’t literally trade oil for food. Not sure where you got that info from. I can guess though. The Oil For Food program set up a fund. Iraq’s oil was sold for dollars, like always, but the proceeds were put into a fund. That money was then spent on food, medicine and other such basic necessities. It’s similar to the Development Fund of Iraq which was created after the war… which took oil sales dollars and put them in an account under the control of the Coalition Authority.
You also claim Iraq is only getting $1 per barrel of oil? Where does that info come from?
Iraq is producing about 2.7 million barrels a day. They export about 2 million of that.
So let say they are selling 2 million barrels a day. They sell it for the going rate… let’s use $100 a barrel for simplicity. That’s $200 million dollars a day Iraq gets for selling oil.
Times 365 days a year, that’s $73 billion a year for oil. That’s far more than you show… but yes it still leaves them poor. The Iraqi Gov budget uses every single bit of that money just to run the country and try to rebuild after 30 years of war. They are under an IMF Stand By Arrangement… which is for poor countries. Yes… they are poor.
JC… classy post above.
Iraq didn’t literally trade oil for food. Not sure where you got that info from. I can guess though. The Oil For Food program set up a fund. Iraq’s oil was sold for dollars, like always, but the proceeds were put into a fund. That money was then spent on food, medicine and other such basic necessities. It’s similar to the Development Fund of Iraq which was created after the war… which took oil sales dollars and put them in an account under the control of the Coalition Authority.
You also claim Iraq is only getting $1 per barrel of oil? Where does that info come from?
Iraq is producing about 2.7 million barrels a day. They export about 2 million of that.
So let say they are selling 2 million barrels a day. They sell it for the going rate… let’s use $100 a barrel for simplicity. That’s $200 million dollars a day Iraq gets for selling oil.
Times 365 days a year, that’s $73 billion a year for oil. That’s far more than you show… but yes it still leaves them poor. The Iraqi Gov budget uses every single bit of that money just to run the country and try to rebuild after 30 years of war. They are under an IMF Stand By Arrangement… which is for poor countries. Yes… they are poor.
Stew, do you have a link for that? You sound like a pumper.
It's amazing how embociles ask for proof. It's amazing someone thinks I will risk my security clearance and government career to provide such. It's amazing how I am friends with an Iraq government employee who lives and works in Basra, I have pics of him at the Basra Oil and Gas expo from Nov 2010, wearing his VIP pass. Enough said. Either you believe me or you don't. I will still get my full 8 hours sleep tonight and go make my money in the morning with a huge smile on my face. I'm out of this great debate. I have better ways to spend my free time. Now, how do I unsubscribe from this so I no longer get these annoying emails? For I have no interest left in anything anyone has to say on the matter. I have reasons my mind is made up. I'm sure you do, too. As the old folks say, 'Everybody has one.' And we know what they're referring to, or do you require proof for that, too? Have fun guys, I hope this keeps you entertained while you waste time trying to change made-up minds. This is literally a waste of time for me. Thanks...
Sorry GR… I didn’t realize you had a picture of a guy with his VIP pass. Why didn’t you say so in the first place? That changes everything. The United Nations, IMF and others are full of poo. I guess Iraq really was trading crude for sandwiches and is currently selling oil for $1 per barrel. Thanks for the info.
Wow...just...wow.
Thanks gr for the insight and intelligence. I think you are bang on.
Drew strikes again...I am going to so laugh my guts out when you hear the news that we were right all a long.
Have a great week everyone. I believe it is close...months close.
For people who are interested in Iraq economical news:
http://en.aswataliraq.info/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=140512
Stewart once again proves that he is the supreme idiot on this board. I bow to your royal assholiness!
I'm done. GR, thanks again for everything. To all the good posters, I wish you well. For the rest...... oh never mind. You all are not worth the effort or time anymore.
Bye JC..It's been fun..I'm outta here too....
I couldn't go out just yet, after reading this article that was posted yesterday from the London Based Al Hayat newspaper. It specifically quotes Maliki as saying a DRAMATIC increase in the Dinar. Enjoy!!
Is Maliki’s new government a true ‘national partnership’ or a magical arrangement to avoid conflict?
One of the prominent features of Noori Almaliki’s new government is that it is based on reassuring participating political forces that what happened in the past, such as marginalization, crackdown on, and elimination of, political opponents, won’t be repeated in the future. That’s why Maliki had to increase the number of ministers from 37 in the last government, to 42 in the new one. This number is almost double the number of ministries in China, whose population is 1.2 billion people (actual number of Chinese ministries is 24). The number of vice presidents and deputy prime minsters has also been increased from two to thee each. If the last government was inflated, what can we call the new government? Expanded? Greedily covetous? Or is it necessary, in order to avoid power struggle? But, can’t also be a recipe for more conflict?
Maliki should have sought to form a government that is balanced but effective – that is, one able to govern and ditch the legacy of the past, not simply satisfy the ambitions of some of those working in politics. There are basically thousands of people in Iraq today who believe that they are qualified to become ministers, senior officials and leaders – either because they have opposed the previous regime, and thereby acquired ‘freedom fighter’s legitimacy’ (especially those incarcerated); or because they possess advanced degrees, which of course entitles them to ‘knowledge legitimacy’! Or, because they are tribal sheikhs or clergymen, which gives them ‘historical’ or ‘religious’ legitimacy. Or, because they have appointed themselves as leaders of ethnic groups, sects, orders or regions, and this ‘legitimizes’ their demands to be in government. Most important for many is to be in the government, even if it’s only in name.
What has encouraged the spread of this phenomenon in Iraq is that some unsuitable and unqualified people have made it to becoming ministers and senior officials in the last three governments. This has enticed others to let their imaginations loose and seek high office, even if they are not qualified. Secondly, the financial and moral perks which people can get when becoming ministers, officials, or even advisors or managers, are enormous: huge salaries that they draw from the state, and the high social status they acquire out of joining the government, induce many to seek, painstakingly, to secure a governmental position, using whatever means are available to them. The pension that they get afterwards is also very tempting: 80% of final salary, for everyone who reaches the grade of an advisor and above, even if they worked for a week! There are very many youthful pensioners nowadays in Iraq, many having worked briefly as members of parliament or for provincial governing councils, or as aides or advisors for this official or that official – this is in addition to those forced to retire by the De-Baathification law, who run into tens of thousands. The Iraqi Retirement Act made Iraq a country of young pensioners.
This policy will certainly inflict more and more harm on the Iraqi economy, for two reasons at least. First, it has frozen the energies and expertise of many people who are able to work. Second, it obliges the state to spend on people who could otherwise be productive taxpayers. The state also pays for the guards of some retired officials whose numbers run into hundreds, in addition paying their living, transport and office management expenses. One of those participating in the government revealed to me that one retired official had 800 guards, all paid for by the state, while he lives in the fortified Green Zone!
The other feature of the Maliki government is the shrinking representation of women – who occupied almost one fifth of ministerial positions in past governments – despite the increase in the number of ministries. Navin Dakhail Saeed, a female member of parliament, refused to take the position of Minster for Women in protest at the absence of women in the new government. Ms Dakhil Saeed deserves to be saluted for this principled position, so rare in today’s Iraq. Maliki blamed other political blocs for not fielding women candidates as minsters, but he admitted that one of the blocs did in fact do so, for one ministerial position at least – but he rejected her. It’s not a secret that the political list that fielded the woman candidate was ‘Iraqia’, the woman candidate was Maysoon Aldamluji, and the ministry was that of Culture. The question is why did Maliki reject Miss Aldamluji as minister for Culture? Was it because she had no experience? Certainly not, since she was the deputy minister for culture between 2003 and 2006. According to those who worked with her, she was one of the most able deputy ministers at the time. Was it for her lack of political skills? Of course not: Aldamluji is a well-known politician and women’s activist, who has devoted all her time to political and cultural work. She is also the Editor-in-Chief of Noon Magazine which specialises in women’s issues. She is also the spokeswomen of the Iraqia List and a member of parliament for four years. Was it for her lack of academic qualifications? Impossible: She holds a BSc and MSc in architecture from the University of London. This is in addition to her membership of many prestigious professional associations. She is also from a well-known family noted for its scientific and political credentials. Her uncle is Abdulla Aldamluji, the founder of Iraqi diplomacy and the first Iraqi foreign minster. Her parents were the late Drs Salim Aldamluji and Lama’an Amin Zaki, the medical professors at the University of Baghdad, who graduated hundreds of Iraqi doctors. More important than all of this is that she is very popular in the political and cultural media. Therefore, Maliki’s refusal to appoint her as Minister of Culture has nothing to do with the lack of expertise, qualifications or suitability, which he always talks about. It’s probably because she is a secular woman who has the potential to succeed, which will be recorded in favour of his political opponents. He may have listened to advice from advisors who do not wish to see any worthy change at the Ministry of Culture. Maliki’s position against Maysoon Aldamluji has in fact harmed him politically and put him in direct conflict with the women’s movement and the cultural community. But, it seems that he is not really concerned with any critical views.
Maliki’s government’s 43-point programme didn’t contain one single specific point, but instead, talked about a ‘big decrease’ in the rate of inflation and a ‘big increase’ in the value of the Iraqi dinar! It talked about support for the economy, media, women, and improving services, living standards and security, but without mentioning any numbers or specific proposals. If the Prime Minster doesn’t know how much the rate of inflation has fallen and how much the value of the dinar has gone up, who should?
Maliki’s programme has made no mention of the restrictions on personal freedoms which members of his party in provincial governing councils have imposed on people. These restrictions are illegal and unconstitutional, and are inspired by religious persuasions which are harmful to the interests of the Iraqi people and country at large. They do not respect people’s choices in life. Will Maliki’s partners try to remedy this situation? Are they really able to? And, does the issue of personal and people’s freedoms really matter to current political forces? Questions that no one has answers for, so far.
Some of the strong points of the Maliki government is that it has important and strong personalities who will contribute to the success of the government if they are persuaded by the correctness of the government path, and believe in the sincerity of its direction. Many Iraqis wished to see more changes in faces and positions, but this has hardly happened. The prevailing culture in today’s Iraq is for incumbents to hold onto their positions at any cost, and never give up a position under any circumstances, since they are regarded as personal sinecures. But renewal will always remain a basic popular demand regarding all positions, be they political, cultural or business.
*Published in the London-based AL-HAYAT on Jan. 11, 2011.
Jc..I love you bro thankssssssss....
JC,
it is frustrating to see on the guru sites how rumors become fact. We have read for so long that this RV is done, people are cheering in the streets of Iraq, etc. ....And guess what/ we are still at 1170to 1. I just want to know how these ''facts'' became real. My feelings are they will RV someday when they have the security issues handled. Could you imagine if they RV'ed with the security they have now? It would make the LA riots look like a baby's birthday party. Looting would be out of control. Even the security force would be stealing and robbing banks. ....Just my opinion.
Iraq has an economy equivalent to West Virginia.
That coupled with the fact they have 27 times more currency in circulation than the entire US… means a lop is on the way for sure.
I have obtained a spreadsheet that I got from a global financial data company that lists the daily value of the currency of Kuwait back to when it was rupee right up to the end of 2010. There is NEVER a big difference from day to day of the value of the kuwait currency against the US dollar. Also, The Kuwait Central Bank web site currency exchange rates go back to 1986, and it too, shows no significant difference from year to year.
The whole revaluation of the kuwait dinar is just not true based on the figures shown on both the spreadsheet I have and the kuwait central bank web site. If this is a lie then it could very well mean that the whole RV of the IQD is misrepresented because much of the RV argument is based on comparing Iraq to Kuwait. Ho hum....
Robbie ,
I believe that the way i heard it went down was the people of Kuwait lost faith in the money and was selling it on the streets for 0.10 and of course if you were there to buy it up you made money so this is the way it went down from some that claim they were there
Anyway the forum gurus will use Kuwait to compare i myself have never looked at Kuwait to compare my whole thing when i got in was "better not miss the boat" just in case thing , I f this happens cool if it doesnt hope no one losses too much.
And now, you know the REST of the story: (The truth for all you naysayers.)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEEDC163FF936A15750C0A967958260
AFTER THE WAR
AFTER THE WAR; No Electricity but Kuwait Reopens Its Banks
By DONATELLA LORCH, Special to The New York Times
Published: March 25, 1991
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. .KUWAIT CITY, March 24— It still has no water and little electricity or food, but Kuwait revived its banking system today, introducing a new currency.
Banks reopened for the first time since Iraqi occupation forces shut them down in December. Thousands of people lined up to exchange their old Kuwaiti dinars for crisp new ones and to withdraw a limited amount of money.
Without electricity, the banks services were slow, limited to money exchange and withdrawal. There was no telex, no electronic money transfer and no telephones. The computers were unusable, so all transactions had to be entered by hand.
"It's like going back 20 years," said Mohammed al-Yahya, the manager of the Commercial Bank of Kuwait, the nation's second-largest bank. Seized Dinars Canceled
The Central Bank is canceling the value of Kuwaiti dinars that were seized from the Central Bank and put into circulation by the Iraqis. The invalid serial numbers were posted today in front of all banks in the city.
All other old dinars can be exchanged for new ones on a one-to-one rate until May 7, when the old dinars become invalid. The new official exchange rate is 3.47 American dollars for one new Kuwaiti dinar.
Although it is severly handicapped without electricity, the Commercial Bank, like many other major banks, was able to open for business because its records had been saved from the Iraqis. Mr. Yahya hid the bank's balance sheets in his home and sent its computer records to London via Syria with an Indian employee, who packed the tapes into the back of a trailer.
The banks also face serious personnel shortages. Only 11 of the Commercial Bank's 35 branches opened today, with 137 out of 1,300 workers.
Before the Iraqi invasion, only 17 percent of the bank's staff was Kuwaiti. Many of the foreign workers -- Jordanians, Palestinians and Indians -- fled and now cannot re-enter the country.
For those exchanging money today, there was little they could buy in Kuwait. Many of those in line said they planned to use their money for vacations or for shopping trips to Saudi Arabia to buy generators and food.
"I need to get away from this pressure," said Abdul Mohammed Hussein, a computer engineer in his early 40's who said he was withdrawing 1,500 new dinars to take a vacation in the United Arab Emirates. "Everywhere you go you find lines. At the supermarket, you find lines. To get petrol for the car, you find lines."
Abdul Hamed al-Atar, a 50-year-old retired Interior Ministry official, said this was the first time he had set foot in a bank since September, and he seemed relieved. "Kuwaits always keep a lot of cash with them," he said as he was handed crisp new piles of money that he stuffed into a small bag. "It's a comfort to have money in my hands."
Photo: As Kuwaiti banks opened for the first time in months, a group waited in line to change old banknotes for new. New currency was printed to replace stocks of previous notes looted during the Iraqi occupation. (Agence France-Presse)
Thanx for the info gr.
GR... why do you say "The truth for the Naysayers"
Nowhere in that article does it say anything about a big RV.
It states the new official exchange rate is $3.47 per dinar.
The rate was $3.44.
So it went up 3 cents.
Kuwait exchange rates back to 1986
http://www.cbk.gov.kw/WWW/index.html
Naysayers - people who state it did NOT occur at all. It dropped during the war, and overnight went to $3.47.
Kuwaits Money supply numbers from back then.
http://www.cbk.gov.kw/cbkweb/servlet/cbkmain?Action=qbullet&archive=19951012#
They only had 315 Million dinars in circulation in 1990.
LOL... there's one person posting here who claims to have 120 million Iraqi dinars. I've seen many others claim to have over a million. It only takes 3 people holding that much to equal all the dinar that Kuwait had in 1990.
LOL... belly laugh.
GR... that is a blatant lie. The rate never dropped. Some people panicked and sold their dinar for less than the what it was worth. But there was only 315 million Kuwaiti dinars in existance at the time. So how many of that small amount do you think got sold at a cheap rate. VERY little. It was only 8 months from the time Saddam invaded until he was kicked out and they issued a new currency. So it was only a few months that people were panicking and may have sold their currency cheap.
I'm not saying no one made money in Kuwait. Some did. But it was a very small number of people and they made much less than people think.
Look at it this way. The Kuwait central bank did not issue one single dinar at a rate less than $3.40
Iraq's central bank has issued 27 Trillion dinar all at a rate of less than 1170 dinar to a dollar.
From all the links and info I've seen the dinar is pretty stable where it is now. Plus it's a very nice, watermarked currency. Why not just leave things like they are now? No RV or lop. The value can stay where it's at or possible inch up in the future like it has in the past depending on economic conditions. And over time the large number of currency in circulation can gradually be brought down to a more manageable level.
At this point, pull out your map, globes, whatever and compare the size of Kuwait (pin) to Iraq (large pack of pins), and also the population. I wonder why they have more currency in circulation? Also, look at the number of years Iraq has had a worthless currency versus Kuwait's few months. I don't know why anyone bothers to compare the two, they are completely different scenarios. The resources held by each are completely different. The purpose behind the two countries' DV in currency are completely different, although induced by war.
Stew, what is your agenda? If people want to buy, they will buy. If they don't, they won't. Are you getting your rocks off or something by just continuously digging and digging? Are you S&M, confrontational, just like to argue? I mean, what is the purpose behind all this ranting and raving by everyone? If people want to invest in IQD, let them do their own research and make up their own minds. If they are not capable of that, then they don't need to buy IQD.
Please go away.
GR... this is not a dinar pumping web site. You can't have me banned.
I’m simply supplying facts and pointing out lies told by scammers and the dupes that follow them.
For every 1 Kuwaiti dinar in circulation there are approximatly 27,000 Iraqi dinars.
Size and population are pretty irrelevant.
What is relevant is GDP, size of the economy.
Iraq is about number 62 in the world with $84 Billion.
Kuwait is about # 56 in the world with $117 billion.
So Kuwait has a bigger economy, yet Iraq has 27,000 times more currency.
And some want you to believe those 27,000 times more dinar should have the same value.
Matt Krantz is a financial markets reporter at USA TODAY and author of Investing Online for Dummies and Fundamental Analysis for Dummies
Here's his take on the dinar.
http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/01/12/20110112investing-iraqi-dinar-quick-riches-risky.html
"Investing in the Iraqi dinar is a huge gamble, and one in which you should be prepared to lose all your money."
More from Fox Toledo
http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/economy/Dinar-investment-a-Ponzi-scheme
"Dinar investment a Ponzi scheme"
"expects investors to be left with worthless paper if they do invest.
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Just some balanced perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg98H_LYk5Q
Cramer is clueless about the dinar. Even then he never says to buy the currency. He says to get it in an ETF. Not sure there will ever be an ETF for a pegged surrency. It makes no sense.
More.. but wouldn't take link.
Dear Mr. Berko: An investment man in our church is selling Iraq dinars and wants me to invest $13,260 to buy 10 million dinars. He says if the dinar goes to a penny, I will make $100,000 and if it goes to a dime, I will make $1 million. Iraq, with all that oil and a growing economy, makes the dinar look like a very great opportunity for me. He said there are many banks and dealers who will buy the dinars back anytime. This is my chance to make it big. -- S.L., Fort Walton Beach, Fla.
Dear S.L.: You have to be industrial-strength dumb to buy 10 million dinars for $13,260 from your church "investment man." He is doing a good job of promoting a worthless currency with the pitch "Now is your chance to become a millionaire."
Holy Mary, Moses and Molly, even though this smells like a bucket of night soil, a lot of good folks have fallen for this tommyrot. Look at the numbers -- $1 will buy 1,200 dinars so the value of one dinar is .0833 cents, which is a lot less than a penny. Now $10 U.S. will buy 12,000 dinars, $1,000 U.S. will purchase 1.2 million dinars, and $10,000 will get you 12 million dinars. And this is the official exchange rate, which should tell you that your church "investment man" will net a cool $5,000 if you give him $13,260 for 10 million of those silly things.
Now, for your 10,000 dinars to be worth $100,000, the value would have to increase from 12 dinar to the penny to one dinar to a penny, which is a 1,200 percent, increase. That is highly unlikely.
This dinar thing is a scam, meaning "to cheat or swindle as in a confidence game." You are relying on hope that a growing Iraqi economy will result in a stronger currency. Consider Mexico and Venezuela, both of which have strong economies and major oil producers. However both are experiencing gut wrenching inflation, and both are deflating their currencies.
Don't let your emotion and greed trump your common sense. And don't be the fool who eagerly parts with his money.
Correction: Cramer on Iraq; "I am always in favor of owning the currency as a play."
Everyone interested in owning Dinar should know that it is highly speculative.
I would love to hear Cramer's take on the dinar RVing over 100,000%
There will always be people and organizations that take advantage of others through dishonest practices. Wasn't this why the SEC was created? Purchasing foriegn currency should always be a calculated and measured investment based on individual risk tolerance.
Just what you said above Stew happened to my family. A good friend of the family told us about the IQD. He told us he just had to let his good friends know about the Dinar because he loves Jesus and of course that is what Jesus would do. Then he compared Iraq to Kuwait and of course you know that story. It sounded good. I mean if it happened in Kuwait it would be sure to happen in Iraq. But sadly, these people are lieing about Kuwait, I saw proof that a big RV did not happen. So the IQD may very well increase in value one day but if they lie about one thing are they lieing about the whole thing? Day after day people are ready to jump on jets to go cash in because "RV is tomorrow" according to the sites. And some people have used their mtg and retirement money to buy dinar. Silly? Why maybe so in retrospect, but if you have someone who you know as a good honest guy who says he knows someone who says this is a sure thing and they have intel and if you don't get in on it now you will miss the wealth transfer, why it seems silly at the time not to buy some. We have $1M which is really not a big deal if we lose it. But I know someone with $100M, their 30 years of retirement plopped down into the IQD. He did research but I know now all of the research he did had to be at the dinar sellers websites. I can not find any supporting info anywhere else that says this the rv is near.
"Purchasing foriegn currency as an investment usually doesn't involve buying millions of smuggled notes from a country on the other side of the world and keeping them in a shoebox in the closet.
Robbie... I feel for your friend. He is in for a rude awakening. Losing $1000 is not a big deal to most, but losing a big chunk of ones retirement account will sting.
When the dinar redenominates he will probably lose about half his money. He might very well lose it all.
It is amazing that for many, reading what the dinar dealers and their pumpers claim, is research.
Practically everyhting they claim is either an absolute lie, or a severly distorted or misinterpreted half truth. At best it is wild speculation based on nonsense.
This thing is going to ruin a lot of friendships.
Robbie... you know someone with 100 million.
There is someone else on here who claims to have 120 million.
Kuwait only had a little over 300 million for the entire country. So two people on this thread of 20 or so people can account for Iraqi dinar that that equals more than 2/3 of what the entire country of Kuwait had.
I'd be willing to bet the other posters on this thread can account for another 100 million, so just the few people on this little thread can probably account for more Iraqi dinar than all of Kuwait.
It cracks me up, the absolutely CLUELESS so called "Financial Experts" who claim this is a scam. Stew, this is directed at YOU.
What is a scam? It's where someone takes your money, and you have NO chance at recovering a dime of it, and no chance of making a profit. With all the Dinar I own, I can call Ali at Dinar Trade, whom I've bought a good majority of my Dinar from, and he'll buy it back from me TODAY, and I can have a wire transfer to my LLC acct in about 30-45 minutes. If I sell today, the rate as of 1-20-11 is $940 per million, uncirculated new notes, which is all I bought. Some of my purchases, when the value of the Dinar was in excess of 3,000 - 1, I am almost tripling my money. Even for those who bought just 2 months ago, they are realizing a very modest profit of about $50 per million, but it's STILL A PROFIT!
Now, Stewart would have you think that the Dinar will not be available on the Forex. DEAD WRONG! Iraq is BEGGING to be accepted into the WTO. The WTO will not allow Iraq back in until they offer a regional, stable, equal currency. The ONLY way that will happen, is for Iraq to rv their currency to a standard at near par to the rest of the regional currency. This is why you often hear the comparisons to Kuwait. They also want to be back in the Gulf Coast Consortium. This also requires a currency that will not cause an imbalance to the region.
Some of you may have heard about Kuwait doing a purchase of large note Dinars last week, as Doha bank was offering a buy rate of 100,000 Kuwaiti Dinar for every million IQD. Kuwait is demanding IQD from Iraq as compensation for the war crimes committed by Saddam. There are multiple confirmed sources from 3 different sites, on 3 separate conference calls, that this event did indeed take place. I called Doha bank in New York, the morning of the event, and was told Doha in new York is not a foreign currency exchange department. I was then given the numbers to the Doha branch in Kuwait, Jordan and the UEA. I called all 3 branches that evening, and was able to speak to a manager at the Kuwait branch that spoke broken English. He confirmed that they had a 24 hour window to bring in IQD, but it was only available to Kuwaiti citizens.
The next event came from The bank of Jordan, where they were buying IQD for $3.40. This was also confirmed from multiple sources on 2 different live conference calls.
Today, Venezuela had a substantial RV, from $2.5939 up to $4.29. Here's the link: https://treasury.un.org/operationalrates/OperationalRates.aspx
Now, I'm sure Stewart will try and dismiss this as well. I'm not here to try and change his mind. I am here to let you know that Stewart has his head so far buried in the sand, he gives ostriches a bad name. Rudy Cohen, a man with over 20 years as an investment pro, foreign currency specialist and Forex guru, is behind this investment 100%. The Anderson Business Advisors PLLC, the very same company Donald Trump uses to protect his assets, is on board with this investment. In prior messages here, I have provided links to numerous Investment companies that are involved with the IQD. Hundreds of companies, foreign and domestic governments, and like minded, business savvy investors like myself, are heavily invested.
I picture Stewart, sitting in his boxer shorts, a sweat stained t-shirt covering an ample gut, in his mothers basement, reading these posts. I can also picture him jumping up, flapping his arms and squawking like the chicken he is, every time someone posts here telling us what a great investment this is. Don't be the chicken little's of this world. And for God's sake, stop listening to the "scam" talk. It's a legal currency, recognized by the US government, and is endorsed with several bills and laws that allow us to purchase the dinar. Numerous US banks also sell it, and will also buy it back. if this is a scam, then the Us government, many banks and a whole bunch of dinar dealer sites have opened themselves up for the biggest lawsuit in modern history. Ponzi scheme? Not hardly.
I've always been one to say, do your own, independent research, and NEVER spend more than you can afford to live without for the long haul. It is a HIGHLY speculative investment. So was Microsoft when it first went public. So was Sun America securities when it first went public. Investments are a gamble. This is one we WILL win on.