History’s lesson for the dinar

I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.

While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.

But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?

Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)

The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.

History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.

600 Responses to History’s lesson for the dinar

  1. LZ 20th January 2011 at 16:56 #

    JC,
    you are sounding more and more like a immature idiot pumper. You are probably an Iraqi national trying hustle the doofeses that listen to your fact less lies.
    So didn't you write that you had 50 dinar notes? Ali doesnt sell them.

  2. Stew 20th January 2011 at 16:59 #

    First off… You are lying through you teeth if you are claiming you bought dinar when the value was over 3000.
    http://www.cbi.iq/documents/CBI_FOREIGN_EXCHANGE_AUCTIONS.pdf
    Jan 1st 2004, the day the 3 month exchange period ended for the New dinar, the rate was 1695:1.
    You are claiming that you bought dinar before the exchange period was even over? I say you are a liar. Which means anything else you claim is also to be treated with caution.

    Your second paragraph is all made up fantasy… more lies. Not one single fact in it.

    Your third paragraph is nothing but ridiculous pumper lies that you should be ashamed to even mention on a legitimate news site like this. Kuwait is not buying Iraq dinar at that rate.
    Bank of Jordan… more blatant pumper lies.

    You’re outdoing yourself with this one scammer JC.

    JC… you are a retard and you really make me laugh. Your example of the Venezuela RV. You really are a dunce aren’t you? You are reading that backwards. It went from 2.5 Bolivar to the dollar DOWN to 4.3 bolivar to the dollar. They DEVALUED their currency by 50%!!! LOL… what a goof you are.

  3. Stew 20th January 2011 at 17:00 #

    First off… You are lying through you teeth if you are claiming you bought dinar when the value was over 3000.
    Jan 1st 2004, the day the 3 month exchange period ended for the New dinar, the rate was 1695:1.
    You are claiming that you bought dinar before the exchange period was even over? I say you are a liar. Which means anything else you claim is also to be treated with caution.

    Your second paragraph is all made up fantasy… more lies. Not one single fact in it.

    Your third paragraph is nothing but ridiculous pumper lies that you should be ashamed to even mention on a legitimate news site like this. Kuwait is not buying Iraq dinar at that rate.
    Bank of Jordan… more blatant pumper lies.

    You’re outdoing yourself with this one scammer JC.

    JC… you are a retard and you really make me laugh. Your example of the Venezuela RV. You really are a dunce aren’t you? You are reading that backwards. It went from 2.5 Bolivar to the dollar DOWN to 4.3 bolivar to the dollar. They DEVALUED their currency by 50%!!! LOL… what a goof you are.

  4. JC 20th January 2011 at 17:01 #

    Speaking of the SEC, there is not ONE single Iraqi Dinar Scam claim on their site. If this is the big scam as those clueless individuals like Stewart claim, the site should have at least ONE claim, right? I mean, we are talking about tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people. Surely ONE person would have filed a claim? There are no claims, because it is a LEGAL currency. As for Stewarts baseless claim of smuggled currency, again, a pure, flat out LIE! The Dinar dealers in the US are HIGHLY regulated. They have to carry a very high level of insurance and are high regulated by our government.

  5. Stew 20th January 2011 at 17:12 #

    http://www.newsweek.com/2004/02/01/money-bet-your-bottom-dinar.html
    this was from back in 2004

    "When the smugglers came to Nabaroh with suitcases full of the stuff"

    "According to Ahmed Muhammad, a deputy governor of Iraq's central bank, roughly half the 4.5 trillion new dinars have been removed from domestic circulation, either stashed away at home or smuggled out for sale abroad. Iraqi officials say it's illegal to export the dinar,"

  6. JC 20th January 2011 at 17:20 #

    Hey LZ,
    How about a little reading comprehension? I have said in a past post, that I have bought over 200,000 dinar from E-bay. I have a huge selection of small notes, including a nice stack of 50 dinar notes. I bought a huge majority of my large notes from Ali.

    And, dumb ass, I SERVED THIS COUNTRY IN THE FIRST GULF WAR! I don't take kindly to any dumb ass such as yourself, telling me I am an Iraqi national. You have no clue who I am, and I GUARANTEE that you nor Stewart have the sack to say anything to my face. I'd rip your head off and shit down your neck so fast, it would make your momma cry.

  7. Stew 20th January 2011 at 17:26 #

    The SEC is a US federal agency that is responsible for enforcing the US federal securities laws.
    There are no US laws prohibiting the sale of Iraqi dinar. There also are no laws that specifically say the dinar is legal to sell. More pumper lies. There are however Iraqi laws that make smuggling dinar out of the country illegal. The SEC is not going to enforce Iraqi laws… But Iraq may very well enforce them when the dinar redenominates and people try to get their dinar back into the country.

    LOL... nice new post... classy... and you claim I'm the one loosing my cool. LOL

  8. LZ 20th January 2011 at 17:29 #

    WOW....I'm scared. Is there anything you cant do? You are a definition of a Classy guy JC. Sorry old timer, I guess you and Okie oil man must be right. Friday RV.....People are cashing out on Monday .Ive read that every month for the past 2 years. PLEASE..your lies are sickening.

  9. Stew 20th January 2011 at 17:42 #

    Careful LZ… you know he’s a Bazzilionaire with so many contacts in high places that we couldn’t even comprehend. I’m sure he has the resources to hunt you down. Lol

    Of course… on the other hand he couldn’t even understand that Venezuela devalued their currency by 50%... so I bet he needs GPS just to get the busted old Chevy out of the trailer park.

  10. LZ 20th January 2011 at 17:47 #

    So lets see....if Iraq does Lop, and you have 50 dinar notes that you buy at the 1170 rate.....you could make some serious scratch Stew! That is since they are deleting the 3 zeros.

  11. JC 20th January 2011 at 17:48 #

    LMAO at you two losers. I got an idea. Why don't you 2 form a circle jerk on each other. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. That's not politically correct. I guess they just don't teach us old seals to be polite anymore. I forget this is the new, kinder, gentler Obamanation. Well, as my old instructor in San Diego used to say, "Fuck that!".

    The bottom line? I'll be laughing my ass off at both of you dillholes after this does RV.

  12. Stew 20th January 2011 at 18:02 #

    LZ... sorry to say, but that wont work either. That was a new lie LZ... sorry to say, but that wont work either. That was a new lie that the dealers/pumpers came out with when the redenominate and delete 3 zero articles started pouring like rain.
    It's funny... they claim the delete 3 zeros means a big RV... but never being one's to pass up an opportunity to bilk people out of their money... they claimed that maybe you want to buy lower denoms just in case. They charge much more for the lower denoms.
    The lower denoms will be lopped also. Think of the 50 as a nickel. That's what is worth now, and that's what it will be worth after the lop. If they walk into a bank with only a fifty to exchange, a little silly, would you take a nickel to the bank.. but if that’s what they do, the new currency will probably have quarter, tenth, and twentieth of dinar coins… same as our quarter, dime and nickel. That’s what they will receive back.

    50.00 dinar note, lop 3 zeros, it’s now .05, just move the decimal over 3 places.

    But JC certainly fell for it.

  13. mark 20th January 2011 at 18:09 #

    Wow guys this is getting tense! All I know is there's an assload of people that are invested in this and I'm sure a lot of them have done ample research on the pros and cons. I doubt I'm gonna become a millionaire on my 2 million dinars but maybe there's hope for appreciation down the road before they decide to redominate. It's a huge gamble bros. I know I'm not going out and buying millions more because Okie, Terry K or one of those guys says it's gonna RV tonite. There's some chance that it could go up just like there's a chance we can lose money. I'm gonna hang onto mine in my upstairs closet for now. I'm a realistic guy and Stew's facts are definitely keeping me on the ground. JC, since you're a multimillionaire so maybe you know something about investing that I don't. It's hard to imagine an RV of 3 bucks but if it does I'll see you at the bank soon after! Love to pay off some bills.

  14. LZ 20th January 2011 at 18:09 #

    Hey JC, how does one get a job as a pumper?

  15. Stew 20th January 2011 at 19:49 #

    LZ... how to get that job? Where do you think JC learned about those "circle jerks" he spoke of.

  16. JC 20th January 2011 at 20:22 #

    Stew, Show me a single article with concrete proof that they will LOP. Dr. Shabibi is on record as saying he will revalue the currency.

    I'll bet you 10,000 - 1 you have never stepped foot in Iraq. I have, on 3 separate occasions. Once in the service and twice as a civilian adviser. I've interacted with the Iraqi's, and know a great deal about their country, and their history.

    You site obscure, out dated posts, yet the data you presented from the CBI site only goes back to 2006. You weren't on the ground, as an adviser, where the typical Iraqi couldn't put 2 dinar together to piss in. They were starving for cash. I, and MANY other soldiers and advisers were able to make tremendous deals with people there for dinar. And, just so we are clear. I own 127 million dinar. I've already shown you how fractional banking will allow for the Rv to happen, and how fractional banking is a daily way of the banking world, especially here in the US.

    Now, at that retard LZ. Show me one post where I'm pumping any specific site, a date or rate. I'm presenting the facts, and what you choose to do with it, is up to you. Personally, I don't give a flying rats ass what you or your girlfriend Stew do from this point forward. If you both were on fire, I would piss on you to put it out! Lack of class? I don't really care. Both of you are permanently dismissed. Stay behind the pussified safety of your computer screen. In the real, cut throat world of business, you are the little fish, and I am the great white shark.

  17. Brit 20th January 2011 at 20:52 #

    JC why would you make claims that the dinar dealers are 'heavily regulated' as you put it? From what I have seen they are simply supposed to register as a Money Services Business (MSB) - which is funny because that is what the local convenience store has to do in order to deal with cashing checks or issuing money orders. And that has absolutely nothing to do with the SEC.

    If there was such a heavy regulation as you claim - I think you would find that the dinar dealers would not promote their sales on the sites where all the pumpers are spewing their false intel reports and 'super secret squirrel' high level intel.

  18. JC 20th January 2011 at 21:18 #

    For those who have an open mind, this CNBC video shows that Iraq is indeed, a VERY rich country. 143 Billion barrels of oil based on data from 1980. Estimates of what they actually have are from a low of 200 billion, to as much as 500 billion barrels.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1752197415&play=1

    Go to the 1:30 mark of the video.

    Pay attention to the comments "Major growth" and "Stable government" which completely slaps Stew in the face when he lies and says the country is poor, and the government is unstable.

  19. Brit 20th January 2011 at 21:53 #

    JC - They have a stable government? The loser in the last election got a ridiculous decision in his favor to retain the seat - they argued for over 9 months before a PM was finally seated and they are still bickering about the power sharing deals that got the previous items to occur in the first place. That does not sound very 'stable' - but I guess if you heard it on 'TV' it must be true huh?

  20. Stew 20th January 2011 at 21:57 #

    JC… there have been dozens and dozens of articles talking about the plan to redenominated the dinar by deleting 3 zeros. I would link a few, but what’s the purpose. You have shown that you don’t have the intellect to comprehend them.
    You linked the DEVALUATION of the Bolivar and made a fool of yourself by claiming that it was a RV.
    I gave you a link to the CBI web site that shows the exchange rate back to when the dinar was introduce on Jan 1st 2004, yet you can’t figure it out and claim it was only from 2006. A fifth grader could figure it out.
    I can’t fix stupid… sorry.

    As far as your other claims. You are a habitual liar, and why anyone would believe one word out of your mouth is beyond me.

  21. gr 20th January 2011 at 22:00 #

    OH, my GOD, just shut up, both of you. Any man who has to publicly attack another man behind a screen name is probably NOT a man or either has little balls! Who cares what either of you think? The original author of this article made his point. Who cares who agrees or disagrees? The fact that you have to keep coming here every five minutes, day after day, shows just how much of a non-existent life you must have.

    Geesh!

  22. mark 21st January 2011 at 07:46 #

    Most everyone has their own strong opinion on here. But I think we all want the same thing and that's to make money! I'm no pumper or naysayer either. I'm on here looking to get investment information plus I do kind of enjoy reading all the opinions on what the dinar's gonna do. I bought this stuff around 5 years ago when I had a lot more $ to invest so I was like what the hell? Maybe it'll go way up one day and I'll make some dough. It's a big risk just like some of the other investments and penny stocks where I lost my shirt. I see all the logic that Stew is showing but I have to admit I'd love see this thing go up and JC be proven right. $3.00 seems crazy high but maybe .10 if they could get a large portion of the currency out of circulation. Prob. wishful thinking but I'm sure we all want to make money any way we can get it.

  23. James 21st January 2011 at 07:50 #

    I would just like to see something happen anything at this point im sick of this investment at this point , At least we are not talking about what were gonna buy

  24. JC 21st January 2011 at 10:12 #

    Stew, your interpretation of the LOP is based on your OPINION, yet MOST financially knowledgeable people have said they will NOT LOP anything off of the currency, but instead, is simply pointing to the CBI destroying the 1,000 - 25,000 notes, ie, removing the 3 zeroes. We can go round and round all day, but the bottom line is, I am right, and you are wrong.

    You NEVER addressed the FACT that Iraq's inflation is well under control, at 3%. You also never addressed the FACT that the ONLY reason a country LOPS their currency is from HYPER-INFLATION, which is again, something that Iraq does NOT face. When the old Saddam dinar was deemed worthless, they still allowed the Iraqi citizens, ALONG WITH ANYONE WHO WAS IN COUNTRY AT THAT TIME, A TIME FRAME TO CONVERT THEIR OLD DINAR TO THE NEW. Since Iraq is already sitting on a boatload of new, lower denominational dinars, there is NO way in hell they are going to print another new batch of currency. It will NOT happen.

    Both Maliki and Shabibi are admitting that the currency is WAY under valued. Here is a news story with link, showing Maliki is indeed looking to make the value stronger;

    01 Mar 2010 Aswat Aliraq

    PM: Iraqi dinar re-evaluation has to do with economic conditions

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    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said on Sunday that the process to re-evaluate the Iraqi dinar has to do with economic conditions that have to be strengthened.

    "The Iraqi dinar has all the reasons to grow stronger thanks to an increase in revenues and development of the economy," Maliki said in response to some questions through the National Information Center.

    "The government would not rush matters but would rather work on finding all the guarantees to render this measure a success. The Central Bank of Iraq (CBI)Central Bank of Iraq (CBI)Loading... is currently entrusted with drawing up a study on the whole issue and would give its decision soon," said the Iraqi premier.

    Thanks for all the honest info, I do appreciate how hard you all work to put...

    by Patriot 76
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    The Iraqi dinar's exchange rate is suffering from low value against foreign currencies as a result of decades of wars and economic embargo that brought the local currency's exchange rate to the rock bottom from three dinars per dollar in the late 1970s and 1980s to 3,000 dinars per dollar after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait, followed by a 13-year crippling sanctions regime.

    The exchange rate fell even more after 2003 to reach 1170 dinars per dollar due to the CBICBI
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    's policy of daily auction, in effect for more than five years now.

    The policy was lambasted by several economists on the grounds that these auctions do not give the real value of the country's local currency.

    © Aswat Aliraq 2010

    http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20100301063801/PM%3A%20Iraqi%20dinar%20re-evaluation%20has%20to%20do%20with%20economic%20conditions

    Now Stewart, pay attention. I was there for the FIRST gulf war. I went back as an adviser TWICE. Did I say I bought my first batch of dinar through "official" means? NO! Did I take advantage of a situation that allowed me to profit greatly? YES!

    You can bring charts, graphs or your sister into this conversation, but since YOU were NOT there in country, I will tell you point blank, YOU DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN IRAQ. I am certainly NOT the first serviceman, contractor or adviser to take advantage of the situation that was there. Just recently, Iraq closed their borders to any dinar leaving the country. Now, I am not a banker, but I am friends with several including 2 managers at a B of A in one of my cities I live in, a VP at Union bank of California, where I started my last corporation account with, and another VP with Chase. I have spent countless hours in conversation with them about all types of foreign currency. ALL of them are invested in the IQD.

    Lastly, when I mentioned the RV with Venezuela, I didn't say it went up in VALUE, I said it went up, period. I know a higher number means a lower VALUE. Anyway you look at it, it DID re-value, and actually makes me take a harder look at their currency for purchase. Good God man, that's why we are looking for a value for the IQD of around 1.0 - .325 to really turn on the mass market.

    There is now a dealer in Canada, http://www.dinartradecanada.com that does sell the 50 notes on up, though I have not bought from them, and probably will not.

    One thing I will caution anyone who is thinking about buying dinar. Do NOT buy it on reserve. There is no indication that this will happen today, tomorrow or even this year, so throwing money at a reserve in hopes of it RV'ing in the next 30 days is just plain stupid. Only buy what you can afford to live without for the immediate future. Iraq is making great progress towards stability, and the government formation is coming along, though they still have a ways to go. Be patient, do your research and decide what is best for you. I don't endorse any specific dealers site, so do your homework on that as well.

  25. JC 21st January 2011 at 12:37 #

    Brit,
    Yes, the government is MUCH more stable than it was even 2 months ago. As for Maliki retaining his seat, it is no different than our own government making back room deals to insure passage of a particular bill or measure. The entire GOI is filled, except 3 key minister posts, currently being held by Maliki, until qualified candidates are available. Beyond that, there are MANY signs that things are moving forward at a fast pace. New housing, oil and security contracts being signed. Iraq just purchased a contract for new jet fighters and tanks, supplied by the US.

    As for the regulations that Dinar sites MUST go through to legally be able to sell dinar here, they MUST register with the Department of Treasury. The Treasury is directly linked to the IRS. You do NOT get more regulated than the IRS.

  26. Brit 22nd January 2011 at 04:18 #

    The comment about Iraq not suffering from inflation at the current moment is accurate - however they were suffering from high inflation levels as recently as 2007. Any checks on previous redenominations will take you to a paper by Mosley, which clearly states that some countries will hold off performing redenominations until years after the inflation issues have be resolved, and that doing it that way is usually far more likely to be successful than countries that redenominate during periods of high inflation. And she does appear to be one smart cookie.

    Most people that think there will be a LOP, from what I have seen is basing that off the fact that no other country has performed the action (removing 000s from their currency system) people state that Iraq is going to do. So it seems the LOPsters are basing their ideas on history, while the RV only people are just hoping Iraq does something different than everyone else has done when in this position.

    In regards to the regulation of dinar sales websites, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on any level of 'regulation' that they have.

  27. JC 22nd January 2011 at 10:05 #

    Here is a news article, directly from the IMF Country report dated October 2010.

    "Staff supports the CBI’s intention to continue to manage the exchange rate with
    a view to keeping inflation low. A strong and stable currency provides a solid anchor for the
    public’s expectations in an otherwise highly uncertain environment."
    (I think this message is loud and clear that the budget must contain a STRONG RATE or the entire country and economy is a destiny for failure.)

    Ministry of Finance and the CBI: “The Ministry of Finance together with the Central Bank are studying a proposal to raise the value of the Iraqi dinar in order to return it to previous levels where one Iraqi dinar was valued at 3.33 US dollars.” Further elaboration on the plan that was being worked on was also given in the same article: “A statement by B.J. AL Zubaidi, the Minister of Finance, in which he said that he had suggested to the Chairman of the Central Bank, Dr. Sinan AL Shibibi.

    Another article from the CBI, as reported in the AKnews the following was stated:

    “The CBI believes that the Iraq’s economic development is held back by they country’s debts,” Mr. Saleh said.

    The CBI announced that it cleared 90% of its internal debts with traders and private companies, according to the Paris Convention, through which Iraq fulfilled its obligations to the entire private sector, freeing the country from a significant part of the restrictions placed upon it.

    Another from the IMF: “The IMF… is not satisfied with the current Iraqi financial policy and has urged the government to make extensive changes”, said Abd Hussein al-Jaberi, a member of the board of advisors to the Council of Ministers.

    The IMF has reportedly called for:

    ◦changes at the level of the spending;
    ◦reduction of inflation;
    ◦a plan to encourage the private sector; and,
    ◦a plan to address employment levels in governmental departments.

    The Iraqi Finance Ministry called on the Ministry of Industry and Minerals to work on transforming its subsidiaries into self-financing companies in order to cover the expenses of its employees.

    The Ministry of Planning and Development has said there is a huge workforce in governmental departments.

    “Iraq has promised the IMF to address the monetary issues”, said al-Jaberi, “but talks are still underway between the two sides to come up with solutions”.

    The Iraqi Finance Ministry announced last month the finalization of Iraq’s 2011 draft budget, the majority of which has been devoted to investment. The 2011 budget amounts to US$86.4 billion, up from around US$72 billion last year.

    Ok, so you want more proof .....

    Lets talk about the Ministry of Planning (MOF). MOF Amended Exchange Rate Document

    1. It is necessary to put central controls to amend the official exchange rate * to reflect the shadow price of the foreign currency, and that is considered one of the necessary requirements to implement the net discounted present value standard and the internal return rate on investment in the economic calculation stated in the instructions, paragraph nine.

    (* What is meant by exchange rate: the number of units of foreign currency, expressed in dollar per one dinar.)

    2. Justifications for exchange-rate adjustment: there are a number of important and powerful arguments which support the view that the official exchange rate reduces the real value of foreign currency for purposes of calculating the economic national profitability for investment projects and hence for the purposes of investment planning. It is demonstrated in this context to call for assessing the dinar for less than (3.208) dollar (official exchange rate) when assessing project outputs and inputs of traded goods of exports, substitute imports and imports... etc.

    3. Estimate the amended exchange rate of the Iraqi dinar to be used in technical and economical feasibility studies and for (1.134) dollar per dinar. This price should be approved for 3 years until re-appreciation by the competent authorities. (Recommended by the UN regarding Chapter 7 guidelines).

    Here is the best news yet!

    Baker Jaber AL Zubaidi: Iraqi Dinar Value should be Raised<-- Article to support this.Reserve is sufficient to raise the value of the Iraqi dinar

    Central bank adviser said the appearance of Mohammed Saleh, said that the Iraqi dinar force depends on two factors the first of what is owned bank reserves amounting to less than 50 Mlyardinar as well as inflation.

    The added benefit of the reporter (news agency, media / INA) that the Iraqi economy suffers from inflation, which had previously ranged between 37 to be arrived today less than 3%. Foundation with inflation exchange rate stability, indicating that the central bank's target is to reduce inflation, which led to an increase in the purchasing power of the Iraqi dinar. Indicating that the reasons that led to the high level of inflation due to the absence of the type of export products and our dependence on one type of export and this makes the Iraqi economy, unilateral and non-qualified to work on raising the real apical of the Iraqi dinar.

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    Baker Jaber AL Zubaidi: Iraqi Dinar Value should be Raised

    November 30, 2010 Reprint from Al-Sabah

    Al-Sabah - [6/29/2006]

    The Ministry of Finance together with the Central Bank are studying a proposal to raise the value of the Iraqi dinar in order to return it to previous levels where one Iraqi dinar was valued at 3.33 US dollars. This was pre 1980 before Iraq became involved in three destructive wars that at one time led to the currency's value dropping to a level of 3,000 Iraqi dinars to one US dollar. The proposal has the support and approval of the World Bank.

    So, you have the MINISTER OF FINANCE ON RECORD AS SAYING THE DINAR REACHED A LEVEL OF 3,000 - 1.

    Oh, I know. Stewart and LZ will just say the M.O.F. is nothing but a pumper. Stone cold, in print FACTS for you to ponder.

  28. gr 22nd January 2011 at 10:37 #

    I think I'm in love...

  29. gr 22nd January 2011 at 10:39 #

    However, it is so cool how the IQD is 'paired' to the USD on Forex now. I had so much run watching it go up and down, green and red all day yesterday. Can't wait for the market to reopen Sunday...

  30. mark 22nd January 2011 at 13:08 #

    gr, I agree that the change on the forex is pretty cool. I'm curious to see what happens in the future. And thanx for the info JC. I'm definitely hoping you're right and the currency will one day see an increase in value. It's fairly strong and stable now because as I think Stew pointed out earlier it's backed up 100% by reserves. But hopefully they can afford to increase the value down the road and I'm all for it if they can. I'm guessing that anyone who has dinar probably wants the value to go up unless they already have so much money that they plan on using it as wallpaper or monopoly money. So JC if you're right and it really goes to over $3 then I become a millionaire! So I'm definitely up for encouraging news. I'm for making money any way we can as long as it's legal so if the country of Iraq wants to give us this amazing gift of an RV then God bless them and God Bless America for giving us this opportunity. I for one would be thrilled if it even grows to .10.

  31. LZ 22nd January 2011 at 15:37 #

    Dont forget to thank Allah too!

  32. JC 22nd January 2011 at 17:30 #

    How about thanking us troops and special ops people who liberated their country from a tyrant?

    I am going to keep a very sharp eye on forex on Monday. This ride is about to get very interesting!

  33. LZ 23rd January 2011 at 08:23 #

    Sure JC, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
    So how many kills do you have?

  34. JC 23rd January 2011 at 10:28 #

    LZ,
    Thank you. With total honesty, that is a part of my life even my wife doesn't know about. I've never shared with her the things I saw or did in service of my country. I hope you can understand and respect that. I'm not a fictional character like Rambo, but I have done a lot of the things that would make most people very squeamish.

    Keep a very close eye on Forex the next day or 2. I think we are about to see this ride take off.

  35. mark 23rd January 2011 at 12:01 #

    JC, thanx to all you guys who have served in the military and done so much to keep this country great. I've never served but I have tremendous respect for everyone who has. Can't imagine going through what you did and you have my respect. Yeah next week's going to be pretty interesting. I'll keep a watch on it and hopefully we'll see some good action.

  36. LZ 23rd January 2011 at 12:19 #

    http://www.topforexnews.com/2010/11/02/is-iraqi-dinar-new-opportunity-or-tool-for-scam/

    Any opinions on this article?

  37. LZ 23rd January 2011 at 12:21 #

    This is another interesting article

    http://www.rferl.org/content/Iraq_Planning_Currency_Redenomination/1950504.html

  38. Rabibi 23rd January 2011 at 13:34 #

    Friendly Reminder

    Author: Stew
    Comment: 1/11/2011

    "Rabbi... it's not going to go on the forex. That's more pumper lies."

  39. Stew 23rd January 2011 at 15:56 #

    Rabbi... many pegged currencies are listed on the Forex. The claim is being made that Iraq will let the dinar FLOAT on the forex...
    That is what I was addressing, and that is what is a lie.
    So yes... the dinar will show up on the forex, almost all currencies are. But it will not float, it will remain a pegged currency.

  40. JC 23rd January 2011 at 17:39 #

    Stew, Show me a single country with a open market currency, that isn't traded on Forex. Show me a single news article or link that says Iraq will not trade the IQD in a free float on Forex.

    Here is a message that I received from a friend of mine, who has been in the banking industry, with a specialty in foreign currency, for 32 years. His post was from earlier today on one of the dinar sites I frequent.

    Hi All,

    Well so much happened last Thursday and Friday on Forex that the anticipation of today is thick with hope. Hope is great attribute; be sure it never wavers.

    Having said that what can we expect today? Let's look at the variables so that we are not surprised or deflated.

    Couple of items that are consistent:
    Remember that the ME basket traditionally does nothing until 2:00 to 4:00ish am some 13/15 hours from now (after midnight and early Monday morning).
    The US market is the Gerbil that turns the economic wheel of Forex (thanks Ron for that analogy). The US market turns on at 8:00 am EST.

    1. The IQD could turn on at 3:00 pm CST today and continue reacting to the pulses of the US Dollar when the boards open shortly. Know this...the IQD's fluctuations were reactions to the USD, but most likely the spigot was not turned on completely. That's why we saw intervals of 1 minute to 10 minutes to 30 minutes and some in between. If the spigot was on fully, the movement would have been more fluid with fluctuations much closer together on a consistent basis.

    2. The IQD might not move until the ME basket tradtionally trades about 14 hours away and resume the status described in #1.

    3. The IQD might return to the activities we witnessed these past few years of 4 changes per 24 period of time once the ME basket basket resumes their activity 14 hours away. This action will lead to a lot of people claiming that the activities from the 19th and 20th were accidents and glitches. If they say that, it's untrue. "Someone" of importance was told to turn the spigot on. And if #3 is the action, then the very best assumption is that the activity we witnessed means that Forex is NOW READY. It's a checkbox we needed. Don't vary or have doubt from that conviction. And it's a wonderful thing!!!

    4. The IQD does the magical dance we want it to at 3:00 pm EST today. I doubt this will occur because the CBI has already published their rates today. However, we have been surprised by our friends in the ME before, so I will take a glance just in case.

    5. The IQD does the magical dance we want Monday morning at 8:00 am EST when the US Forex market opens. This is an ideal time because of the US being the engine that drives the mystery tour throughout our world. In this scenario, the CBI holds off on updating their website by a mere 4 hours and reacts simultaneously with the US Forex market. This is plausible (that's for you Beachhouse!). With that possibility each morning when the US Forex boards open is an ideal time for the transition to take place.

    Alrighty, here are 5 possibilities. All of which are actually good. The #3 is the one most scary because it means our journey continues, however, it continues with a "major" piece of our puzzle done. So bottom line is, Belinda wants a brand new big kitchen, so I want the magical dance to occur very soon.

    Here is some proof of the IQD's activities last week as being true, not a test, and not a glitch. Iraq is an asset of the United States. Their most significant monetizable commodity is oil, which is paid for in US dollars. Hence the connection of pegging the IQD to the US Dollar is most likely what will happen. So....at the exact same time the fluctuations on Forex were occuring last week, the EUR/IQD went DEAD. That's right, it straight lined. What that means is that the IQD rate wasn't being affected. On every Forex board I could see, the EUR/IQD straight-lined. So what does that mean? It means the IQD's rate wasn't being passed from board to board against the Euro. Plus a whole lot more.

    There are those that suggest the IQD's value will be based on a mixed basket. What they fail to put in the equation is that utilization of a mixed basket is based upon years of trading with countries who significantly contribute to their overall import/export relations. At this point, Iraq does not have those relationships. It is reasonable to assume that Iraq will move to the mixed basket in the next three to five years, and possibly a new Gulf Coast Currency that has been talked about in the past and lately. It's also quite posssible that the IQD will only be traded against the US dollar. This theory minimizes the Forex issues that Iraq will have to endure through multiple currency pairings.

    The four predominate currencies that tyically assume the first position: USD, EUR, GBP, AUD. It's quite possible, and this is a theory derived by recent events, that the IQD trading with/against the others is something for the future. We have never been able to pair the IQD with the British Pound or Austrial Dollar. By minimizing the trading pairs to only the USD, Iraq would benefit initially by narrowing their Forex relationships until they become more stable and grow significantly in their region and globally.

    In closing, there are many who know much more about Forex than I do. I am not the end-all-be-all when it comes to this topic. So, in closing I am excited about the window of opportunity in front of us. I will not get too high or too low in the next 24 hours. I watch, listen, learn, and adjust. I wish for you to do the same.

    My Best for all of you! And perhaps our journey ends very, very soon.
    Joe P

    Here is another great news article with link, showing that Iraq's oil reserves just exploded from 143 Billion, to 500 billion reserves. That is, with still half of the country still in developed and / or explored.

    Iraq's Oil Reserve reach 500 billion ( barrels, official Aswat Al Iraq - [1/20/2011]

    Iraq's oil reserves have reached about 500 billion ( barrels till this date, Iraq's Oil Ministry's official spokesman, Assem Jihad said on Thursday.

    "The size of Iraq's oil reserves has reached about 500 billion ( barrels nowadays, whilst the previous oil reserves had reached 143 billion ( barrels," Jihad told a press expertise workshop, organized by the Italian News Agency, attended by Aswat al-Iraq news agency, adding that the above increase represent the 64 oil fields only.

    Jihad said that Iraq's daily oil output would reach 3 million barrels per day (bpd), whilst the forthcoming few years shall witness its oil production to reach 10 million bpd, thanks to the development licenses signed between Iraq's Oil Ministry and the international oil companies, specialized in oil production and development of oil industrial institutions.

    http://www.iraqdirec...s.aspx?id=14719

    Everything Stew has been touting as pumper lies, is starting to be shoved right back down his throat. I hope he likes crow, because it's coming by the truck load very soon.

  41. JC 23rd January 2011 at 17:42 #

    LZ,

    Good find, but most have dismissed those articles, as they are now outdated. The news articles I've been providing, have been for the most part, curren t to no older than 2 months.

    In my opinion, and the opinion of many economists, there will be no LOP. Just like the US did for the $500, $1,000 and higher bills, when they were taken into circulation, you cashed in a $1,000 bill and was given ten $100 bills. This what the CBI will do.

  42. Stew 23rd January 2011 at 18:38 #

    JC… did you even read what I posted. Heck did you even read what you posted. I said the dinar will be listed on the Forex, almost all currencies are listed on the forex. What I said was the dinar will not Float, it will not be heavily traded. It will be a pegged currency just like all the other middle east oil producing countries. Kuwait is pegged, Saudi Arabia is pegged, here is a list of pegged currencies.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fixed_exchange_rate
    Most all are on the forex, but nobody trades them.

    Even the person is your post said “Hence the connection of pegging the IQD to the US Dollar is most likely what will happen”

    Do you understand the difference between a pegged currency and a floating currency??
    It really appears you don’t.

  43. Rabibi 23rd January 2011 at 18:59 #

    Stew, As you Americans say it "come on in the water is fine." Everyone on this forum would hate to see you miss out on this opportunity. Even Mark, the faciliator of this forum is "in."

    For those interested here is Stew's response to my question about whether the IQD would go on the Forex.

    Author: Stew
    Comment: 1/11/2011
    Rabbi... it's not going to go one the forex. That's more pumper lies.

    Iraq has stated they want to create a "forward market" for the diinar.
    http://www.dinarbanker.com/2010-iraqi-dinar-news/aim-is-to-establish-a-forward-market-in-iraqi-dinars-in-the-near-future.html

    A forward market specifically means that it's not the already established Forex market.

    If they wanted to put the dinar on the Forex, which they don’t, but if they wanted to, they could put it on at the rate it is now. The IMF has stated that Iraq exchange rate is pretty much in line with fundamentals as it is now.
    If they listed it at 1:1 on the forex… it would only take a matter of seconds for the rate to drop to .001.
    Why would anyone buy dinar at a rate of 1:1? I just showed you where Iraq already has in circulation 27 Trillion dinar, and just 10 trillion dinar valued at 1:1 would purchase all of Iraqs oil for the next 100 years.

  44. Stew 23rd January 2011 at 19:13 #

    That is exactly right Rabibi. That article clearly states Iraq will "create a foward market".

    Investopedia explains Forward Market:
    Forward contracts are personalized between parties and therefore not frequently traded on exchanges. The forward market is a general term used to refer to the informal market in which these contracts are entered and exited.

    So Iraq will set up an informal market that will allow trading of the dinar at the PEGGED price. See above "therefore not frequently traded on exchanges".

  45. Rabibi 23rd January 2011 at 19:30 #

    Stew,

    You clearly state that the IQD would not go on Forex on more than one occassion and now it is. I wish you all the best.

  46. Stew 23rd January 2011 at 19:38 #

    EVERY currency gets listed on the forex. That does not mean it will be traded and get it's value from the forex. I will bet any amount of money anyone wants to bet that the dinar will not float on the forex. It will remain a pegged/managed currency.

  47. LZ 23rd January 2011 at 20:02 #

    Stew...
    all we need to do is wait and see. If it doesnt move in a few days, your right.

  48. JC 23rd January 2011 at 20:18 #

    Even if it doesn't move over the next few days, it doesn't make Stew right. In fact, he proclaimed that it would NOT be on Forex, and what do you know, it is. Last Friday, for the first time ever, the rate went live. Updates were streaming, as was evident on more than a half a dozen different Forex sites. Time will tell. The forward market article has since been updated by a NEWER article. You say nobodytrades ME currency on Forex? A bold faced lie. Stew, you are now back tracking on what you posted earlier. Rabibi called you on it. The walls are crumbling down on your head. I'm enjoying every minute of it.

  49. Rabibi 23rd January 2011 at 20:50 #

    I would like to petition the people on this forum to donate some Dinars to Stew. In the grand IQD SWOT analysis he has done an excellent job providing the reader with the "weaknesses" and "threats" of the IQD RV.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis

    It would be a terrible thing for him not to benefit from his input and efforts on this forum. Even the gloomiest prognosticators deserve their slice of American pie.

  50. JC 23rd January 2011 at 21:33 #

    Stew had his chance, and he sold them. I don't feel sorry for him if he misses out.

    And, we'll see over the next few days, but it still may take a little longer. I'm fine no matter what happens.