History’s lesson for the dinar

I used to think that rapid increases in Iraqi oil production would practically guarantee a significant strengthening of the dinar over the next ten years. Surprisingly, however, history suggests that this is far from a foregone conclusion.

While the Oil Ministry claims that Iraqi capacity will rise by 10 million barrels per day (mn bbl/d) to something like 12 mn bbl/d by the end of this decade, few analysts take this projection seriously. In fact, no country has ever achieved such a large incremental increase in a ten-year period. Historically, a recent study by the Energy Policy Research Foundation (available at http://www.eprinc.org/pdf/EPRINC-Iraq-FirstLook.pdf) found that Saudi Arabia came closest, with an increase of about 6 mn bbl/d (up 150%) from 1970 – 79, followed by Iran, which went from around 2 – 6 mn bbl/d from 1965 – 1974, and Russia, which raised production by some 4 mn bbl/d (68%) from 1998 – 2007.

But suppose for the sake of argument that Iraq was able to match these precedents and raised production from approximately 2 mn bbl/d at present to, say, 6 mn bbl/d by 2019. What would happen to the dinar if it followed a trajectory similar to the Saudi riyal, Iranian rial, or Russian ruble during the oil booms in those three countries?

Not much, as it turns out. If it’s like the riyal or the ruble, the dinar would actually depreciate in US dollar terms by 25% or 16%, respectively. And the rial appreciated by just 12% from 1965 – 1974. (See chart. As the indices are based on year-end US$/local currency exchange rates, increases/decreases in an index correspond to appreciation/depreciation against the dollar.)

The problem with the idea that increased oil production must be bullish for the dinar is that it is based on the assumption that nothing changes except the output of oil (what economists call a “ceteris paribus” assumption). In fact, however, many other things can be expected to change. In the case of a large country like Russia, for example, domestic demand for refined products may rise significantly as well so that exports don’t go up at the same pace as crude production volumes. In the Saudi and Iranian cases, oil booms led to import booms, with the result that demand for foreign exchange rose along with increased export earnings. There might also be scenarios in which an increasingly confiscatory taxation regime led to greater dollar demand due to capital flight. And of course exporting more barrels won’t necessarily lead to higher forex revenues during an oil-price slump.

History’s lesson for the dinar is that whether it strengthens or weakens over the next decade will depend not only on Iraq’s success in increasing oil production but also on the economic changes that this increased production induces. If Iraqi demand for imports and refined products were frozen for ten years at current levels, a 4 mn bbl/d production increase would be unambiguously dinar positive. But in a more realistic scenario, supply and demand for foreign exchange are likely to grow together, with the result that the exchange rate may not deviate dramatically from its current level.

600 Responses to History’s lesson for the dinar

  1. JC 28th January 2011 at 18:35 #

    Rabibi,

    I agree, that it could rv to the regional average, and if it did, I'd be fine with that. But, comparing the 2 countries, you forget one key issue. Saudi Arabia pays all of it's citizens to sit on their collective butts and do nothing. Their wellfare system is very generous, and their cost of living is next to nothing, which allows for a lower monetary index value. Iraq's proven, documented reserves just more than doubled Saudi Arabias, to more than 500 billion barrels. The next round of oil bidding contracts are getting ready to be done, and every oil company on earth is chomping to get at Iraq's oil fields.

    One other crucial bit, that was brought up by Rudy Cohen last week, is that even though Iraq would have to pay out whatever the RV value is to the investors, they retain that same value within their own currency. Look at the tv, and you'll see how much of an uprising is going on all over the ME. Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc etc. The people are tired of being broke. The people are starting to revolt. Maliki knows that his life is on the line, and the only way he will likely stay in power, is to bring their currency inline with the rest of the region at minimum. Let's not forget just how greedy these guys are. Why wouldn't they bring the value of their currency up? It increases their own wealth proportionately.

  2. Stew 28th January 2011 at 19:19 #

    Rabibi... Then I have to ask you about the dozens of delete 3 zeros, redenominate the dinar articles over the last couple years. One of the latest stating they still plan to delete 3 zeros, they just need parliment to pass something.
    What's your take on all that?

  3. Stew 28th January 2011 at 19:38 #

    Saudi Arabia comparison
    http://www.sama.gov.sa/ReportsStatistics/ReportsStatisticsLib/5600_S_Monthly_Bulletin_AREN.pdf
    Look at Table 1a
    Saudi Arabia has 96 Billion, currency outside of banks, and 16 billion cash in vaults. For a total of 112 billion currency in circulation. Those numbers are reported the exact same way Iraq reports their numbers which I linked and showed earlier, and Iraq has 27 Triilion.
    SA currency in circ 112 billion x .26 exchange rate = $29 billion worth of currency.
    Iraq currency in circ 27 trillion x .00085 rate = $23 billion worth of currency.

    So there you see that Iraq has almost as much currency in circulation as Saudi Arabia as of now.

  4. JC 29th January 2011 at 14:44 #

    Ok Stew. I found on the official WTO site, why you can't compare Vietnam, Zimbabwe or any of the other countries when compared to Iraq's unique situation. read on and be amazed.

    Main article: WTO accession and membership
    The process of becoming a WTO member is unique to EACH applicant country, and the terms of accession are dependent upon the country's STAGE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT and current trade regime.[49] The process takes about five years, on average, but it can last more if the country is less than fully committed to the process or if political issues interfere.[50] As is typical of WTO procedures, an offer of accession is only given once consensus is reached among interested parties.[51]

    [edit] Accession process
    Status of WTO negotiations:
    members (including dual-representation with the European Union)
    Draft Working Party Report or Factual Summary adopted
    Goods and/or Services offers submitted
    Memorandum on Foreign Trade Regime submitted
    observer, negotiations to start later or no Memorandum on FTR submitted
    frozen procedures or no negotiations in the last 3 years
    no official interaction with the WTO country wishing to accede to the WTO submits an application to the General Council, and has to describe all aspects of its trade and economic policies that have a bearing on WTO agreements.[52] The application is submitted to the WTO in a memorandum which is examined by a working party open to all interested WTO Members.[51]

    After all necessary background information has been acquired, the working party focuses on issues of discrepancy between the WTO rules and the applicant's international and domestic trade policies and laws. The working party determines the terms and conditions of entry into the WTO for the applicant nation, and may consider transitional periods to allow countries some leeway in complying with the WTO rules.[49]

    The final phase of accession involves bilateral negotiations between the applicant nation and other working party members regarding the concessions and commitments on tariff levels and market access for goods and services. The new member's commitments are to apply equally to all WTO members under normal non-discrimination rules, even though they are negotiated bilaterally.[52]

    When the bilateral talks conclude, the working party sends to the general council or ministerial conference an accession package, which includes a summary of all the working party meetings, the Protocol of Accession (a draft membership treaty), and lists ("schedules") of the member-to-be's commitments. Once the general council or ministerial conference approves of the terms of accession, the applicant's parliament must ratify the Protocol of Accession before it can become a member.[53]

    So, even thought Vietnam became the 150th WTO member on January 11, 2007, their currency has devalued over 22% since membership. Their currency is not internationally tradeable at present. It's valued now at 19,500+ to $1 USD.

    There are at least two different classes, a permanent member and an observer. Iraq is seeking permanent membership. In addition I gather there is the underprivileged class. Some may say Iraq falls there now because of the lack of overall general infrastructure, but even more so in their main category of oil production, simply because of the age of their pipelines and equipment. Yet there is no doubt that what is under the surface will put them in a privileged class at some point. That is the only thing that makes me wonder if they will do this in a 2-step process?

    From AK News today:

    Iraqi trade: WTO "satisfied" with Iraqi trade legislation

    January 29, 2011

    Baghdad January 29 (aknews) – Trade Ministry said Saturday that the WTO is "convinced" package of legislation passed by the Iraqi Council of representatives to support trade policy in the country.

    "Iraqi negotiator, Director General of economic relations in the Ministry of Kurdistan Hashem Hatem News (aknews) announced today that the Iraqi delegation briefed at Geneva Director negotiator Omar al-hilali latest legislation approved by the House like alkmerket tariff law and Consumer Protection Act and law on import goods and the intellectual property rights and the law protecting market."

    The representative of WTO focused primarily on the tariff law alkmerket and ratios set by the Customs Office of entry of goods.

    "Iraq display many details concerning improving the trade performance policy in Iraq during the discussions was clearly contractual mechanisms and the handling of Companies."

    The "WTO were imposed certain conditions on country who wishes to join as a permanent member, but ask him to explain general business khartath and find out how fit the policy of the country requesting the general membership of the Organization's commercial policy.

    Iraq seeks to permanent membership of the WTO rather than observers as is the case right now.

    The WTO was founded in 1995 and includes 147 States worldwide as permanent members.

    Link: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aknews.com%2Far%2Faknews%2F2%2F214231%2F

    So, I've now proved DIRECT proof from the WTO itself, that refutes what you've said about Iraq and their acceptance. I've told you I have sources you could never begin to know. I also have confirmation for 6 different high level banking people that their banks have ordered extra money in anticipation of the pending RV. Now, anyone who is in banking knows banks HATE to carry extra cash, and that the magnitude of the extra money has NEVER been seen before. It was asked if it had anything to do with tax time, but as was pointed out to me, 90% of all people either do electronic filing or direct deposit. Here is some of the correspondence that was presented.

    This is a friend of mine, who has been in the banking industry for over 25 years.

    Banks and the Cost of Increasing Their Cash Reserves

    So, we are hearing that various banks are increasing the amount of cash they usually keep on hand.

    Does this mean a "major" event is about to happen? Yes.

    Why? It costs the bank money to receive cash from the Federal Reserve Discount Window.

    What is the current cost of this money?

    Current Interest Rates

    Primary Credit - 0.75%

    Secondary Credit - 1.25% (most likely what the $400,000 cash-increase talked about is costing each bank)

    Seasonal Credit - 0.25%

    Interest Rates - What the Federal Reserve Systems Discount Window Charges a Bank for Cash

    Would banks increase the cash on hand just on a whim? No. It is too expensive!

    The Discount Rate

    The discount rate is the interest rate charged to commercial banks and other depository institutions on loans they receive from their regional Federal Reserve Bank's lending facility--the discount window.

    The Federal Reserve Banks offer three discount window programs to depository institutions:

    primary credit,

    secondary credit, and

    seasonal credit,

    each with its own interest rate.

    All discount window loans are fully secured.

    Under the primary credit program, loans are extended for a very short term (usually overnight) to depository institutions in generally sound financial condition.

    Depository institutions that are not eligible for primary credit may apply for secondary credit to meet short-term liquidity needs or to resolve severe financial difficulties.

    Seasonal credit is extended to relatively small depository institutions that have recurring intra-year fluctuations in funding needs, such as banks in agricultural or seasonal resort communities.

    The discount rate charged for primary credit (the primary credit rate) is set above the usual level of short-term market interest rates. (Because primary credit is the Federal Reserve's main discount window program, the Federal Reserve at times uses the term "discount rate" to mean the primary credit rate.)

    The discount rate on secondary credit is above the rate on primary credit.

    The discount rate for seasonal credit is an average of selected market rates. Discount rates are established by each Reserve Bank's board of directors, subject to the review and determination of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System. The discount rates for the three lending programs are the same across all Reserve Banks except on days around a change in the rate.

    The foregoing demonstrates the cost each bank is paying to have the extra $400,000 cash on-hand.

    Is this proof-positive of an imminent RV? No.

    However, banks are in business to make money, not spend money.

    Therefore, there has to be a major reason for multiple banks to be increasing their cash reserves by $400,000.

    The reason must be good, and the timing must be short-term or the banks just wouldn't do it.

    Peace,

    xxxxxxx

    This is a lot for everyone to ponder.

  5. Rabibi 29th January 2011 at 16:59 #

    JC,

    Thank you for your analysis. I truly appreciate it!

  6. mark 29th January 2011 at 17:26 #

    JC, thanx for your time and effort in posting. Hopefully we'll see some increase in value over time.

  7. yippee101 29th January 2011 at 17:41 #

    I am so going to enjoy laughing all the way to the bank. Retirement is something I know that I can not do however I will be investing in my own businesses and will be vacationing during the winter months. Thanks JC for all you do.

  8. Stew 29th January 2011 at 17:57 #

    JC... what are you talking about? You proved nothing. There is nothing in your post that says Iraq has to RV their currency before they can get in the WTO. You post a bunch of nothing, and claim it says something it doesn't. Great pumper tactic.

    You thne make this claim... "I also have confirmation for 6 different high level banking people that their banks have ordered extra money in anticipation of the pending RV"

    What a total joke. First... No banker anywhere would have any advance notice of an RV. Secondly... if they gave out this information they could be arrested.
    You have absolutly no shame in the lies you will tell.

  9. JC 29th January 2011 at 18:12 #

    Stew,

    Why are you the ONLY one who has reading comprehension troubleM that link was to refute your ludicrous claim that Zimbabwe and Iraq are somehow linked. It shows with absolute certainty that EACH SITUATION IS UNIQUE.

    And, you also must have missed the part where he says, "Is this proof positive that the RV is immenent? No. However, banks are in business to make money, not spend money."

    I have verified with multiple sources that the unprecidented cash increase in select banks is NOT related to taxes.

    I bet if Iraq comes out tomorrow and proclaims an RV at $3.22, you'd still try and spin this as pumper lies. You truly are a sad little man!

  10. Stew 29th January 2011 at 18:31 #

    Hilarious pumper JC.
    You claimed the WTO has told Iraq that they have to RV.
    You have provided absolutely no proof of that.
    You also made the ridiculously stupid claim that the WTO would never allow a country to enter with such a low exchange rate. That I proved was a lie. Any 5th grader could prove you were talking out of your rear on that one.

    Almost all banks are holding large amounts of reserves. It’s a result of that little event that just recently happened. The global financial crises. But leave it up the pumpers to link every little thing to a big RV. They’ve been doing it for 6 years, and for 6 years they have been wrong.

  11. JC 29th January 2011 at 22:20 #

    NO banks have held $400,000 in reserve cash, EVER. You dumbass, that amount is per branch that's participating. Its YOU that is talking out your ass. I provided documentation showing the different levels of membership to the WTO. I showed you an e-mail I received from a friend who is the VP for a very large national bank in Las Vegas. HIS words about the $400,000. His stats showing how much it costs the banks to hold this much in reserve. Frankly, you are too stupid to benefit from this anyway, so I say a final farewell to you. May you rott in that miserable shithole you call a home.

  12. Stew 30th January 2011 at 10:56 #

    Where is your proof that the WTO told Iraq they have to RV? That was a pumper made up lie that you were pushing... just as this bank crap is all made up lies.
    You shold be in jail.

  13. LZ 30th January 2011 at 13:22 #

    They [pumpers] do have the right idea. Just post what you think should be happening and call it fact. They act as if they have a seat on the IMF, the UN, WTO, ETC. I went on the IMF site....NOTHING ABOUT AN RV!http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/exportal.aspx?memberKey1=460&date1key=2010-12-31&category=CURRHLD The religious idiots that keep buying there nonsence swear that its a fact cause they read it.

  14. Stew 30th January 2011 at 13:48 #

    Exactly… and the fact is… and I’ve linked the IMF report. The IMF has stated that the Iraqi dinar exchange rate is broadly in line with fundamentals. They even stated it might be slightly overvalued. That was when oil prices dropped. With oil prices back up, they would probably say that it’s good or maybe SLIGHTLY undervalued.
    Anything other than that is a pumper lie.

  15. Rabibi 30th January 2011 at 14:10 #

    LZ,

    What do religious people have to do with the Dinar?

  16. Stew 30th January 2011 at 14:37 #

    If you read enough dinar boards you’d know.
    For some reason a large number of the people who have fallen for this scam, and some of the more vehement supporters of the pumpers are religious people.

  17. Rabibi 30th January 2011 at 16:04 #

    Stew,

    I have found most of the forums to be useless. It seems that almost everyone on the forums have nothing intelligent to say about the investment nor are they qualified to do so. There are some that actually post some objective information from time to time but you have to sift through so much noise that it quickly becomes a waiste of time.

  18. LZ 30th January 2011 at 16:49 #

    Lets face it....they prey on desperate church going types that trust a pumper that says this is Gods blessing and acts like a pastor. The brainwashed religious types think a man of God would not steer them wrong.The pumpers know this and use it to their advantage. I feel most pumpers aren't even christian, although they say they are. Islamic scammers are what most pumpers are, posing as christian pastors. Its pretty obvious the way they present their ''christian'' aspects to the dinar. I see it constantly, and anytime you mix religion with business.....its almost always some kinda scam or BS.
    .....Stew....do you agree?

  19. LZ 30th January 2011 at 16:56 #

    I have a few million dinar and would love a $3.86 RV. Frank. Medic, okie,breisling, mailman are all getting desperate to keep coming up with news that says its just around the corner. Frank26 resorted to saying he has a guy in Iraq{Delta} that is getting info from Iraqi tv. ''dont read what is printed in the news...its all lies!'' ''Delta is getting my info from from the tv which says its almost done.''......Comon!

  20. Stew 30th January 2011 at 17:36 #

    The dinar forums are good for entertainment only.
    I guess some of them are a decent source for linked news stories… but they almost always interpret the story incorrectly. Everything is a big RV to them.

    There have been tons of lop articles the pumpers have misinterpreted to mean a big RV. I’m sure Franks contact who is watching Iraqi TV is just doing the same. He’s misinterpreting lop information as a big RV.
    Think about it. If they were talking about a 100,000% RV on Iraqi TV, there would be mass chaos on the streets. There would be a mad rush to get as much dinar as possible by any means necessary. No one would be selling dinar back to the CBI at auctions if there was any chance of a big RV. Instead, every day you see banks selling millions of dollars worth of dinar back to the bank because they want dollars instead. The stinky crappy dollar.
    http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=CurrencyAuctions
    LOL… here… just today banks sold $66 million worth of dinars back to the CBI. Why would they be doing that day after day if a big RV was around the corner?
    These are obviously different bankers than JC and the other pumpers are talking to all the time.
    Fact is they are not talking to any real bankers. They are making up fantasy to appease their followers.

  21. LZ 30th January 2011 at 20:56 #

    WOW!!

    Well put there Stewy!
    There would be bank robberies all day long!

  22. yippee101 30th January 2011 at 22:53 #

    Are you an idiot? Today the CBI Sold off 66 Million dollars worth of dinar to dealers and banks...hence the term auction.
    Also found this interesting since LZ sent us there:

    http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/exfin2.aspx?memberKey1=460&date1key=2010-12-31

  23. Hmmmmmm 31st January 2011 at 00:37 #

    CBI auctions to Iraq banks who are trading out US/IQD in order to do business with companies and businesses. Only 20% of Iraqis have bank accounts. These auctions are not for dealers, etc., but for Iraqi banks who need to trade USD/IQD to conduct business. They are the CENTRAL bank of Iraq, and are in essence the Federal Reserve to the banks there. If a dealer wanted to buy IQD, they could go to any bank, not just an auction. Many Americans have Iraqi bank accounts. Too many people have the wrong idea about the auctions. Educate yourselves and you won't look silly when you post comments based off the research of others. Either you invest or you don't. Who cares? I don't. Too many of you post opinions and information on here based on what you get third-party. Again, I say, educate yourselfs. All the information you need is on this grand little thing we have called the worldwide web.

  24. Stew 31st January 2011 at 08:05 #

    That’s hilarious Yippee. You call me an Idiot, yet it is you that don’t understand how the auctions work.
    Go ask Medic or whichever pumper is your favorite. It took them a long time to understand the auctions, but they finally got it.

  25. mark 31st January 2011 at 16:15 #

    LZ, I think we are in the same boat investment wise. I have a couple million and $3.86 would be AWESOME! But I see the possibility of a modest increase in value in the future if a lot of things go in the right direction, but not a huge RV this year. I'd like to see this accomplished without lopping but only time will tell... JC doesn't seem like the kind of investor that would throw his money to the wind and what purpose does he have to be pumping if he's already a multimillionaire? It's a high risk investment and I see a possiblity of some profit which is why mine is staying in the shoebox in the upstairs closet for now. Maybe 50 years from now my grandkids will find it there and wonder what the heck it is! lol.

  26. Stew 31st January 2011 at 17:27 #

    Mark… LOL… please.
    JC is living in a fantasy world. He’s lied over and over and I’m sure he’s lying about his personal life also. JC doesn’t have any of the things he claims. He’s not a millionaire, he doesn’t own multiple homes. He’s fantasizing. All of the dinar boards have threads where all these people hang out talk about what they will do with their new found riches. They talk about the real estate trust that JC claims to have. They talk about the multiple homes. They talk about the cars. Everything he has said is simply his fantasy for after the big RV. I know people with money... they don't talk like JC.

  27. LZ 31st January 2011 at 17:32 #

    Stew,
    do you have a handle as ''cat'' on another site?

  28. mark 31st January 2011 at 17:56 #

    That makes pretty good sense Stew. Sometimes I'm a little guilty of living in fantasyland myself. lol. I've always tried to diversify my investments but I was bitten pretty bad all the way around during this past recession. They say it's ended but doesn't look that way to me - except for the fact that the stock market finally hit 12,000 again (if only briefly). Right now i'm looking for slow steady gains and maybe we can see some rate of return on the dinar investment in the future. But there's been so much hype and endless predictions of an enormous RV that it's given the whole investment a bad name. I'd like to see it inch up to maybe the 900-750 range and possibly gain some momentum from there but that'll take a whole lot of dominoes falling in the right direction. Have to admit I enjoy reading some of the far out speculation about the dinar. Kind of like eating a rich, empty calorie dessert you know? But facts are what counts and it would be awesome if we all can find some common ground on here.

  29. Stew 31st January 2011 at 19:02 #

    LZ... no Cat. I posted on a few dinar boards back in the day. But I was bad for sales, so I was banned

  30. Stew 31st January 2011 at 19:06 #

    Mark… I think everyone fantasizes about getting rich. Most don’t go to the lengths as JC in their fantasies.
    It would be very easy for him to verify his wealth, but he wont because he cant. Anyone that would brag about it as much as he does would be very willing to prove it.

    These are all lies or fantasy with no proof that JC has posted here. All of this comes from pumpers on dinar sites. I have proven most of them lies with linked facts. Yet he continues to spread them. JC is one of two things. He’s a dinar pumper, or he’s a pumper parrot. He claims to have a contact affiliated with the CBI. LOL… come on. Anyone that would tell this many lies would have no problem making up fantasy personnel life stuff. Why would you believe a word he says.

    All quotes from JC... some are doozies.
    1. This so called “LOP” of yours has been debunked more times than I care to comment. The removal of the zeros, is NOTHING more than the CBI and the central bank of the US, the Federal Reserve removing the 1,000 and larger notes from circulation and destroying them upon return to Iraq.

    2. I have contacts who do business in Iraq, and can tell you first hand, this is getting ready to happen. Not promoting a rate or exact date, but it will be good for the world economy.
    3. I run 4 corporations, and hold 3 economics and business degrees
    4. there are over 20 countries who forgave Iraq their hundreds of billions in debt in exchange for Dinar
    5. Though they have printed 27 trillion Dinar, studies show that about 80% has been reclaimed by the CBI.
    6. I did an extensive diagram that showed that Iraq could easily support a rate of over $8, though I highly doubt they would come near that figure.
    7. One of my contacts has submitted contracts at the $3.22 rate
    8. I spend multiple hours daily researching this investment, and am the owner of multiple multiple millions in Dinar.
    9. Again, they have contracts for the $3.22 rate, and are written to adjust according to the potential higher rate. In otherwords, their contracts CAN’T GO DOWN!
    10. I’d suggest looking at the Vietnamese Dong
    11. The Un and the IMF combined are holding nearly a trillion in cash that was frozen by the UN at the start of the gulf war
    12. GW told us the war would end up paying for itself
    13. Jim Kramer changing his recommendation from a hold to strong buy of the Dinar just a few weeks back is also a lie
    14. Kramer DID say BUY THE DINAR just 4 weeks ago.
    15. and under Presidential order 13303, allowing the US citizen to invest in Iraq, the same as if he/she were Iraqi citizens
    16. the Dinar I bought when it was 3,500-1,
    17. encourage you to buy real estate. Don’t finance it, buy it outright. I’ve got a Real Estate Investment Trust that I funded with $4 million, and I use it to buy and flip properties all around the west, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Utah and Colorado. I stay out of California,
    18. very well respected economics authority, Marcus Curtis who discusses the potential RV rates

    19. Dr Shabibi, the head of the CBI is on record as saying, NO LOP! His very words, the deleting of the 3 zeros are the complete recall of the 25,000 down to the 1,000 note, plain and simple
    20. How Fractional Banking Economics will allow a high RV EXPLAINED:
    21. One one forum site, I personally know, and do business with 2 of the owners
    22. I’m involved with a few sites, DV, DD and PD. I know DA who is co-owner with SI at PD.
    23. The ONLY reason a country LOPS the currency is for HYPRE inflation,
    24. Do you have any clue how expensive it is to try and print new currency?
    25. The creators of this plan, our own GW Bush, knew years ago, that this was going to come down the pipeline
    26. and they re value to an even $1, which by the way, is documented that they MUST at minimum
    27. In order to be recognized by the IMF, they must have an equitable currency to the region. The IMF will not recognize them at .10.
    28. Kuwait dinar. The value DID drop down to .10, rose to over $5
    29. There are many reports from various sources that between 60-85% of the large notes have been either removed
    30. The architects of the plan will not stand for a LOP.
    31. Several dealers I have ordered from in the past, along with about a half a dozen people from E-Bay, are not able to get the larger notes now
    32. Iraq didn’t lower their rate, the UN, IMF and World bank MADE them lower it.
    33. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE NEW CURRENCY PRINTED FROM DE LA RU,
    34. but my 2 contacts, one of whom is in direct affiliation with the CBI, has said that EXACT scenario.
    35. and as a Gulf War vet, I know for a fact, the smaller notes down to the 1 Dinar does exist
    36. The supply of Dinar at the dealer level IS drying up.
    37. The IMF will not allow the Dinar to trade on the open market at such a low rate
    38. The 27 trillion, 90% of it is in oil credits and not physical currency.
    39. These numbnuts get mad because I have money, because I have high level friends, and because I have intel they can’t get
    40. Some of my purchases, when the value of the Dinar was in excess of 3,000 – 1
    41. The WTO will not allow Iraq back in until they offer a regional, stable, equal currency. The ONLY way that will happen, is for Iraq to rv their currency to a standard at near par to the rest of the regional currency. This is why you often hear the comparisons to Kuwait. They also want to be back in the Gulf Coast Consortium. This also requires a currency that will not cause an imbalance to the region.
    42. Some of you may have heard about Kuwait doing a purchase of large note Dinars last week, as Doha bank was offering a buy rate of 100,000 Kuwaiti Dinar for every million IQD
    43. I called Doha bank in New York, the morning of the event, and was told Doha in new York is not a foreign currency exchange department. I was then given the numbers to the Doha branch in Kuwait, Jordan and the UEA. I called all 3 branches that evening, and was able to speak to a manager at the Kuwait branch that spoke broken English. He confirmed that they had a 24 hour window to bring in IQD, but it was only available to Kuwaiti citizens.
    44. The next event came from The bank of Jordan, where they were buying IQD for $3.40. This was also confirmed from multiple sources on 2 different live conference calls.
    45. Today, Venezuela had a substantial RV, from $2.5939 up to $4.29. Here’s the link:
    46. I have provided links to numerous Investment companies that are involved with the IQD. Hundreds of companies, foreign and domestic governments, and like minded, business savvy investors like myself, are heavily invested.
    47. I’d rip your head off and shit down your neck so fast, it would make your momma cry.
    48. FACT that the ONLY reason a country LOPS their currency is from HYPER-INFLATION, which is again, something that Iraq does NOT face.
    49. I am friends with several including 2 managers at a B of A in one of my cities I live in, a VP at Union bank of California, where I started my last corporation account with, and another VP with Chase. I have spent countless hours in conversation with them about all types of foreign currency. ALL of them are invested in the IQD.
    50. Keep a very close eye on Forex the next day or 2. I think we are about to see this ride take off.
    51. Here is a message that I received from a friend of mine, who has been in the banking industry, with a specialty in foreign currency, for 32 years
    52. listened to a conference call hosted by the BH group 2 days ago. In it, Rudy Cohen, former currency specialist for JP Morgan Chase, and well documented Iraqi Dinar expert, was laying out the facts
    53. NO COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD THEIR CURRENCY ARTIFICIALLY DEVALUED BY AN OPPRESSING FORCE (US AND UN),
    54. The point about WTO membership is NO country, on the outside, trying to get in, has been admitted to the WTO in modern times, with a currency this worthless
    55. I also have confirmation for 6 different high level banking people that their banks have ordered extra money in anticipation of the pending RV

    These are all pumper lies and fantasies told by JC in this one thread.

  31. mark 31st January 2011 at 20:06 #

    Stew, that's a LOT of information! lol. Great job in putting all of that together. I know back when I first invested I subscribed to the hype that it was destined to reach pre-2003 levels again and once their debts were forgiven plus once all their economic potential was realized we'd be looking at $3 easily. But after comparing the amount in circulation then and now - and also against Saudi Arabia and Kuwait - I realized a $3 or $5 RV probably wasn't going to happen in the near or distant future. I didn't sell back then because I decided to hold onto hope that the value might continue to inch up and arguments could be made that it would be in their best interest to just let things alone and let the rate fluctuate with market conditions. I'd be thrilled to double or triple my money and I guess some small part of my brain wants to see something big happen which is why I didn't sell after I found out all the potential negatives. I like taking big risks and I'm up for anything where there's a legitimate chance to make money. As much as I'd like it I don't think we're going to become millionaires overnight from our stash of dinars but I guess a little fantasy is good for all of us sometimes. Thanx again for the excellent debate guys. Very stimulating after dinner reading!

  32. JC 31st January 2011 at 21:47 #

    LMAO. Proof positive Stew neither gets laid NOR has a life. Of course, with a name like Stew...just saying.

    Stew knows nothing about me, yet he states that if I were really that rich, I could easily prove it. Sure, I could fly everyone on this thread to my place in Maui, flaunt my tax returns every year, and take a screen shot of my bank accounts but why would I? Even if I did, all Stew would whine about is they were doctored or photo shopped. I have nothing to prove to anyone, but, I bet I pay more in taxes to the Federal government each year, than Stewart will probably earn in 3 years. My 4 kids, ages 25,24,15 and 10, already have trust accounts set up with amounts ranging from 1.5-8 million in them, and if I were to retire right now, and live off of a simple 1% interest rate, I'd make over $1.3 million per year. You do the math.

    Frankly, this site bores me to tears. Mark, I hope you stay focused on your investments. Stay away from Gold. It's getting ready to tank big time, and will likely fall well below $1,000 an ounce in 3-6 months. Silver is still a safe investment. I would suggest investing in companies that supply oil equipment to the Middle East, but not the oil companies themselves. Also, the ISX is primed to explode. Look very closly at that. The next time I come back here, will be after the RV and I will bet you Stew will not be anywhere around here. Until then Stewart, from one very rich guy to a virgin schmuck like yourself, fuck you very much! (Geesh, I guess charm school didn't work so well for me)

  33. gr 31st January 2011 at 22:05 #

    JC, I believe you and I buy dinar. Will you please fly me to Maui? I've never been. I'm stuck in Kuwait working until this thing RVs. Was in Afghanistan. I need a vacation!

  34. Stew 31st January 2011 at 22:48 #

    LOL… too freaking funny JC. This is what… the 5th or 6th time you have said you were done posting here?
    Well… at least you have your proof positive that your pumping lies do work with a certain group of people.
    Remember GR is the one who claimed Iraq was literally trading oil for sandwiches and also claimed Iraq was now selling oil for $1 per barrel.

  35. gr 1st February 2011 at 00:00 #

    Stew, if you're going to repeat me, at least be correct. I did not say Iraq was selling oil for $1 per barrel. Everyone knows that oil has been close to $100, over at least $90 per barrel for months.

    If you wish to know what I stated, please view the original post.

    And I didn't state they were trading oil for sandwiches.

    You're really digging here, aren't you? It's none of your business of people choose to purchase Iraqi dinar. You nor your comments will change people's minds. Just like your mind is made up, so is theirs.

  36. mark 1st February 2011 at 07:17 #

    Thanx JC, I'm going to start researching some of those oil equipment supplying companies. I'm pretty gun shy about investing lately but at the same time I'd like to go find the right opportunity and make a killing. I would LOVE to set up a trust fund like that for my kids. Great job bro!

  37. Stew 1st February 2011 at 11:23 #

    GR… this was your statement.
    “For many years, Iraq had to ‘trade’ oil for food. Oil was their form of currency. Now, they are allowed to ‘sell’ oil for USD. Basra region alone pumps 1.5 million bpd at the rate of $1 USD per barrel. Thus, their regions is making $1.5 million USD per day in oil sales.”

    I tried nicely to explain how you were wrong.

    Your response was to call me an Embocile {sic}

  38. Stew 1st February 2011 at 11:28 #

    So what's the dinar up to now on the FOREX?
    I would think a currency that is about to RV 100,000% would get a little action.
    The "experts" said it's trading on the forex now? Why no movement?

  39. gr 1st February 2011 at 11:32 #

    First, where did you see the word 'sandwich' as you implied?

    Second, the 'region' gets profit for their personal economy of $1 per barrel. I am over here in the ME. That was emailed to me directly from a Basra VIP at the oil and gas expo from Nov 2010.

    Their 'region' gets a profit of $1 per barrel, and they alone pump 1.5 billion barrels per day. This is the info he gave me a few weeks ago.

    I also asked him his personal opinion on whether or not I should purchase IQD. That information I will keep to myself, as not to violate the 'personal' relationship I have with him. He is an Iraqi govt employee.

    As I said, if you're going to repeat people, get it right. I did not say they were trading oil for sandwiches, however they were under the Oil for Food sanctions by the UN. AND I stated the Basra 'region' gets $1 per barrel, NOT Iraq.

    Please refrain from addressing me or referring to me. You're too ignorant. You're too arrogant. You're like a brick wall. My mind is made up and you can't change it. Your mind is made up, and I could care less.

    Have a blessed day. God bless the citizens of Iraq, and GO RV!

  40. gr 1st February 2011 at 11:45 #

    Not 'trading' Stew, 'paired' to USD and EUR. Get it right. Again... get it right.

  41. Stew 1st February 2011 at 14:31 #

    LOL... I think that's exactly what I said back then. Practically all currencies are listed/paired. Very few actually trade.

    Of course... I was called an idiot.

  42. Lz 1st February 2011 at 17:08 #

    I can see the pumpers are getting desperate. They are having a hard time backpeddling their spins and predictions. when they cant put a spin on something, they turn to God .

  43. Rabibi 1st February 2011 at 17:14 #

    Please help me understand this...So everyone that contributes to this forum is either a pumper or non-pumper?

  44. Lz 1st February 2011 at 18:31 #

    The pumpers are now saying that Iraq must RV to prevent what's happening in Egypt.

  45. gr 1st February 2011 at 18:42 #

    It would be hard for me to be a pumper since A) I'm deployed overseas, B) I suggest if you buy you buy from a bank because they don't have a huge markup.

    C) I AM A CHRISTIAN every day of my life. I was a Christian before I bought dinar, and I will ALWAYS be a Christian regardless of the dinar. I am in a war zone. I got rocketed and mortared several times in Afghanistan as well. I contribute to your freedom to be able to sit here and chat online freely.

    As always, God bless you al.

  46. Rabibi 1st February 2011 at 19:27 #

    GR,

    In the words of the famous American hip-hop artist Heavy D..."I got nothin but love for ya baby!

    I like American music and i think this video is cool

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEbfeG2oAE

  47. LZ 2nd February 2011 at 07:57 #

    I suppose this can be seen as a big RV coming very soon!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110202/wl_mideast_afp/iraqpoliticscourt

  48. LZ 2nd February 2011 at 08:01 #

    http://theiraqidinar.com/category/chats-posts/

  49. LZ 2nd February 2011 at 08:04 #

    http://theiraqidinar.com/2011/02/01/boa-rumor-ktf-missions-20111/

    This is CLASSIC! This must be true, right?

  50. Stew 2nd February 2011 at 09:49 #

    LOL... JC will be here later to post that as a verified well documented fact.